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Mass shooting in my state

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Terramirabilis · 01/10/2015 21:27

Another mass shooting in the US and this one is close to home. Local media are saying 13 students dead and 20+ injured. When are people going to see sense on gun control. I just don't understand this.

twitter.com/hashtag/UCCShooting?src=hash

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myotherusernameisbetter · 13/10/2015 14:22

I only used the seatbelt analogy as an illustration of the statistics involved - banning guns would save more lives than it would cost, similarly insisting on seatbelts for every journey saves vastly more lives than it may accidentally cost. You can't look deeper into the analogy than that as that is all I've used it to illustrate.

myotherusernameisbetter · 13/10/2015 14:24

Yes I know that's what you are saying, but show us why it doesn't do that as we are 17 pages into a thread and all you've said is the same as what you started with - change the record for one with actual factual evidence as others have provided.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 13/10/2015 14:30

I think it's case of "Gun control doesn't work because the gun lobby says it doesn't work." Or even more frightening "I want a gun."

Everyone else seems to find it's worked quite well: Australia, Canada, Japan, UK.

myotherusernameisbetter · 13/10/2015 14:32

yes but under if you keep saying the same thing over and over again, it eventually becomes true does it not? Wink

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 13/10/2015 14:42

myother The mental gymnastics required for his way of thinking are a sight to behold.

myotherusernameisbetter · 13/10/2015 14:50

They are indeed!

maybebabybee · 13/10/2015 14:51

There are far too many things that can be used as a lethal weapon that simply can't be banned, rocks, pens, baseball bats

Waiting with baited breath for a biro-based massacre....

I have never ever seen a poster completely refuse to look facts in the face before on quite this level. Amazing. I'm almost more amused than frustrated now.

myotherusernameisbetter · 13/10/2015 14:54

I am waiting for my hands to be banned on the basis that with appropriate training they could be a lethal weapon.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 13/10/2015 14:56

I'm on the look out for anyone openly carrying a pen now.

myotherusernameisbetter · 13/10/2015 15:02

I've got a concealed pen in my pocket - whether I'd manage to get it out in time to save my life is obviously debatable.

Roussette · 13/10/2015 17:10

I am amused now too!

A gun gives a physically weak female pensioner a better chance to protect herself from a muscle bound powerlifter than she would if she had no weapon. As I've pointed out, there are times when pulling out a gun has stopped an unarmed attack, whereas if there was no gun, the victim may have been beaten up anyway after handing over his things, or may have chosen to fight the attacker and injured either the attacker, himself, or both.

Have you looked at the video above Donthave? Obviously not. There is a young guy on there who is trained in firearms, who has used many different weapons. In a situation where an attacker stormed into a meeting room even he could not get out his weapon quickly enough to disable the attacker. It's a very interesting video. Watch it.

Yet some frail pensioner is going to be able to protect herself against a muscle bound powerlifter? Her reflexes are sharper, her actions quicker?

The production of that gun resolved the situation peacefully, with neither party injured other than the pride of the would-be attacker being a bit dashed when he was forced to leave.

The last sentence of yours nearly gave me cause to choke on my tea. So a little old lady gets out her gun (watch the video - it's impossible to do so in the time required, and that's younger people) and tells him to stop taking £4.50 from her handbag. Muscle bound aggressor is suitably admonished, realises the error of his ways, feels a bit dashed but goes home to nurse his injured pride.

Now I know you're having a laugh, I'm not taking anything else you say seriously!

DontHaveAUsername · 13/10/2015 17:15

We are as you say 17 pages in and while debate is good, I'm in a minority of one with literally everyone else (unless I missed anyone which I don't think I have) disagreeing. I'd say its best that, unless there's any subsequent questions asked of me which I'll do my best to answer, I make this my last post in this thread.

We all want to save lives but I don't think that a simple "more gun laws or less gun laws" approach will work. Banning guns does save some lives, but it does nothing to help the David Rathbands and Chris Browns of this world. And this is also true for less gun control - I feel that even if those two had a weapon, it wouldn't have made a difference because in those very specific circumstances, Moat took them both by surprise. The only thing that would have saved those two men imo is an entirely non-gun related solution namely the prison not releasing someome who was still a threat to the public. I ain't trying to say that less gun control will save everyone,nor am I saying strict gun control puts everyone in critical danger. I'm saying that there's underlying issues that need to be addressed, and it can't just be an argument for more guns or less guns.

Roussette · 13/10/2015 17:20

I'd say its best that, unless there's any subsequent questions asked of me which I'll do my best to answer, I make this my last post in this thread.

That is actually the most sensible thing you've said in the whole thread.

(Also your last para makes more sense than anything you've said before)

myotherusernameisbetter · 13/10/2015 17:29

I agree Roussette and was about to say the same - seems like the overwhelming majority may have had a little influence after all :)

DontHaveAUsername · 13/10/2015 21:00

Otheeusername my opinion on the subject hasn't changed, I just found myself agreeing with the point you made about us being 17 pages in. By that stage everything that can be said on a topic almost always has been, and if agreement still can't be reached it likely never will be so it made sense not to try putting forward my case.

myotherusernameisbetter · 18/10/2015 22:00

I know this thread has been dormant, but just read this and wanted to add the link - it's yet another accidental shooting by a small child and includes stats on number of shootings by toddlers age 3 and under :(

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/toddler-dies-after-accidentally-being-shot-in-head-by-six-year-old-brother/ar-AAfApOs?ocid=spartanntp

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 18/10/2015 22:05

Sad Heartbreaking. Yet again.

DontHaveAUsername · 20/10/2015 17:03

Tragic

myotherusernameisbetter · 21/10/2015 16:07

and again....

msn.com/en-gb/news/world/girl-4-shot-dead-in-road-rage-attack/ar-BBmhoeK?ocid=spartanntp

:(

DontHaveAUsername · 22/10/2015 04:20

Definitely very depressing.

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