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The Nursery Rhyme Police

theres a comment from some bod at bottom of the link implying that the average IQ is below 100,
???

Oh - maybe he's talking to the Daily Mail readers. 100 is a bit high isn't it?

southeastastra, in my professional experience the waiting list to see child psychologists can be a year plus in length. If a child is in such need that a child psychologist referal is made imagine how much worse the situation is likely to be after a year waiting. So, 77 is better than none but I do hope this means extra child psychologists not thesame overworked ones adding to their case loads. Personally I don't like the spin & misreporting which can go with such stories but I do believe this initiative is a good and necessary one.

oh ffs this is the Daily Mail

don't people realise they put a nanny state spin on everything?

it's a bit like reading The Sun and saying 'gosh these young ladies don't wear a lot of clothes these days do they?'

so the government is trying to encourage parents to interact with their children with a series of positive measures

there are a lot of poor kids out there whose parents have no clue how to communicate with them

yes i heard that they've given funding for new child psychologists so hopefully it'll be a step forward

Well perhpas if children are given a proper 3/4yr old heath check instaed of a tick the box form then hearing issue and speech development problems would be picked up earlier.

And also if you didn't have to wait 4 month on NHS to get your child a hearing test and the 4 months to see a consultant and then another 4 months before grommets are in place then perhaps this may go someway to helping children read and speak correctly.

huh?? what is this country coming too??

Some of the more objective and measured comments from BBC website!

Prospective parents should think:

1. Do we want them
2. Can we afford them
3. Are we prepared to change our lifestyle in order to bring them up properly

If you can't answer YES to all three, then don't have them! **** First do a test. If you pass, you can have a child. If you fail, you will be 'helped' in your lower regions. Very simple and will solve a lot of problems. ***** All we need to do is ABOLISH ALL child-support benefits, and housing benefits for single mothers. *** These nannies will be from or will be controlled by the PC brigade.

So they will be totally pointless and ineffective as it is the PC brigade that have led us to this disaster.

"Don't hit them", "Don't shout at them".

Sometimes there needs to be a little more Stick than Carrot.
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Some single mums are the best parents I know. At my little bros school the worst kids are the ones whos parents both work in high end jobs in London. (Typical Daily Mail sorts) There are an awful lot of them too.
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Just stop paying the underclass to 'go forth and multiply'. Long ago, all these youths were needed for whatever war was coming, but these days there is not much use for them.

blimey!

i don't know why the media keep calling them nannies though - they're child psychologists

Oh the bloody Daily Mail.

Just enough truth in it to hide the fact that it's all lies.

I think it's a good idea. The more help and support parents get, the better. It's so depressing that when the government does or thinks of anything vaguely intelligent, they get howled down in a storm of Daily Mail outrage.

speedymama but not surprised

This made me larf:

"A Mori poll for the Home Office suggests 53% of people think poor parenting is the main cause of bad behaviour and 85% blame parents for allowing children to become out of control"

85% eh? That suggests to me that we ought to educate people better than we do, so that they are slightly more intellectually curious than they are. But I'm not sure that's the conclusion I'm supposed to draw...

What will these Supernannies do that HV/SS/ect. don't already do? Who will be able to hear from them? Will they go to families who ask for them, or will they show at home where they are not wanted? What behaviours will they target?

So much here is not know that I can't really say if I think it's a good or bad idea. But, I did read a quote of £4 million pounds, so they better get some results for that level of spending. My first thought is I'd prefer to see say 8 schools get an extra £500,000 in funding. But, I doubt that will happen.

Oh, and what service are they taking the funding from????

who knows where the funding would come from, but with the government spending billions on the blinkin' olympics £4m is a small drop in the ocean.

i imagine the schools would refer children for the psychologists. it's a good step forward

But, what I'm wondering is if they are creating a job that already belongs to someone else. Like is this not already the job of SS? And, is SS unable to do this because of lack of funding? So wouldn't it make more sense to give the funding to those whose job it already is rather than create more overhead by organising yet another department.

Is it really a suprise that just a few years after schools started side-lining 'female' subjects like child development and cookery that the 'Asda fat' and teenage hooligans roam the streets (costing us all millions in NHS and policing costs)? Oooo, did I really say that...

Are child development and cookery female subjects. Oh Dear God, don't tell DH!

Actually, I'll keep the cooking, but don't you dare tell him that childcare is a female thing. I have gone to great pains to convince him otherwise.

ha, ha! I'm actually banned from the kitchen by DH.
just meant that I think they were judged to be 'female' by the establishment and were therefore undervalued.

i want that job.

bet it pays well

Hmm...think I'll accost the local yobs & ask them to recite some nursery rhymes

If I can't get at least a Humpty Dumpty, a Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and a Hey Diddle Diddle out of them I'm calling the cops!

who goes to these parenting classes anyway?

dont you have to really be a piss poor parent?

i mean really really really bad - like kicking crap out of them, drug user, etc

if so i bet there is a bit about singing to babies in the "be nice to your kids" section - in weel three

Hopefully long-term, the money will come from the criminal justice system, asbos, truancy officers, social workers, family liaison officers etc. who eventually have to deal with these kids. If government put money up front to prevent these kids turning out wild in the first place, we'd all save ourselves a lot of money. I think it's a good use of public funds. I'd rather spend money on child psychologists and parenting courses, than needing to spend it on a youth detention centre.

Child psychologists do something rather different than social services. Damaged children need to be healed. Social Services very often have very few powers and act on a practical level in extreme instances after the event (very often). Psychologists work on the emotional level. I don't believe this is a job that belongs to someone else already doing the job. However, I do feel that generally agencies need to work together more effectively. And quite frankly I too think 4m is a drop in the ocean. What price should we pay to prevent/deal with this cyclical problem? Poorly parented children more often than not end up as poor parents whose poorly parented children go on to be poor parents. The cycle needs to be broken.

Iklboo, please be careful. The yobs may know the actions to the rhymes.

Humpty Dumpty

Twinkle Twinkle

Hey Diddle Diddle

Custardo it depends on the parenting classes. I've been on a couple of parenting courses (am now on my third one, we've moved on to over 5's now) and of course all the people there are normal concerned parents who wanted to get a few more ideas about how to be more effective parents. They always have major problems trying to recruit people though, because most people have the attitude that going on a parenting course is a sign that you're a failure and an inadequate parent, like you should be able to just know techniques and strategies without learning them. That's partly because of yobbo parents being forced to go to parenting classes, it has stigmatised them for most normal parents and you either have to be really desperate or very confident, to attend them. Whenever I tell anyone I'm attending a parenting course they're shocked and embarrassed as they assume that I've got an ASBO out on me.

I'm okay with the idea that it is better to help young children than it is to try and fix them once they get to detention centers. However, I do not know enough about this proposal to evaluate whether or not I think it will do this. So, for £4 million, I think it should be an effective program, not just one with good intentions.

I must admit that I am a nbit skeptical that it is but another case of Labour taking credit for something when in fact they have done nothing. So, we'll see what kind of results this tlittle venture produces.