#ImInWorkJeremy

[wonkylegs]

Doctors across the UK hit back at Jeremy Hunts attack on the professions weekend working with #ImInWorkJeremy Twitter campaign.

Hunt is trying to blame Doctors for a failing in providing a joined up and properly funded service rather than looking at the problem and coming up with
proper solutions he's looked
at consultants to be a scapegoat
Various news sources to appeal to all political bents
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/iminworkjeremy-doctors-send-jeremy-hunt-photos-of-themselves-working-over-the-weekend-10398504.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3166330/ImInWorkJeremy-Doctors-Twitter-post-pictures-work-Jeremy-Hunt-claimed-medics-weren-t-doing-weekend-shifts.html

metro.co.uk/2015/07/18/iminworkjeremy-nhs-workers-inundate-jeremy-hunt-with-247-selfies-5301742/

£10 billion a year over 5 years is less than 2% growth, or the equivalent of the tightest periods of nHS funding in its history. I'm not saying that that is necessarily wrong, but I don't see how that is going to fund a complete 7-day service. What we have now I think is a 7-day emergency and acute service, which is quite a practical solution to limited funding. I think the government should focus far more on its plans to merge health and social care budgets, which people have been talking about for many years and in some areas doing on a small scale, but which does seem to be moving off the starting blocks at last.

How far do you think that 10billion is going to go isitme, there's plenty of areas that's going to need that money. And since we're currently in 2015 and the unsociable hours cuts are being discussed NOW I know where the money is going to come from first and foremost.

And yes of course it's a Gove dig him and his wife are behaving like complete and utter gobshites to further slander the NHS. Sorry if you don't like the truth.

The £10 bil extra a year was before the 7-day plan, the Conservatives kept coming up with more cash in the last parliament to do what was necessary, why not this parliament - in 2010 Labour refused to ring fence the NHS budget at all and in 2015 they offered sod all to a jam tart conditional of getting notoriously mobile taxes from the rich, so the funding could be far more flakey.

BTW is that the SAME Gove who was a target here when he very dared to challenge the Education establishment who kept saying butt out, we know what we are doing???

“England’s young adults trail the world in literacy and maths”.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24433320

”Young adults in England have scored among the lowest results in the industrialised world in international literacy and numeracy tests.”

”A major study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) shows how England's 16 to 24-year-olds are falling behind their Asian and European counterparts.”

”England is 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy out of 24 countries.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10631728/Pupils-cannot-count-out-change-due-to-poor-maths-skills.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/labour-admits-great-crime-on-education-tristram-hunt-says-his-party-encouraged-schools-to-aim-too-low--and-pupils-paid-the-price-9053693.html

Why do you keep posting irrelevant information? Your constant links from google get really tedious.

I reiterate a point I have made several times, it doesn't matter what a Conservative administration proposes they will ALWAYS be opposed by the Public Sector establishment as it became fashionable from 1979 and under the last Labour administration, where money was thrown at unreformed front line services, and politicians needing trade union'support', often accepted mediocrity.

YOU mentioned Gove the ex education whipping boy to try and stir up emotions, which kinda proved my point that professional associations/trade unions think that they always know best, when their END RESULTS are found wanting in the economy we need to build e.g. all the 'high tech jobs' for the masses Labour talk about now but didn't previously create, or based on our State education versus our competitors under them, put in place the labour building blocks for such an economy.

Its the TAXPAYERS money not the Conservatives money funding our public services, and it really would be nice if they got some fecking professional co-operation, as THANKS to the financial situation they inherited, we really do need to think and get more for less, no matter how many more £££millions the Tories put into the NHS.

But... but... I was just nice about a Tory policy, don't I get a special Isitme award for that? [wobbles lip]

Neolibs. Making the world a shitter place for the majority since 1979.

If the government really want to improve the nhs then they need to stop pulling fancy ideas out of the air and start talking to the staff ie the doctors, the nurses, the porters, the physics. Increase minimum staff numbers on wards and have more support staff around. Look at different specialities and see what they need. We need to start treating these people as if they do something important.

Isitme I don't really give a toss what politic shite you're spewing, we're having a discussion about what's happening now. As a HCP this has an effect on me directly. I don't care what labour did years ago or care to read your constant barrage of links that aren't relevant to the discussion except to derail for your agenda

DoctorTwos ... yeah right, the UK was such a success story in the years before 1979, the IMF called in to bail us out in 1976, over 20% inflation, similar interest rates, taxes up at 60 to 90 odd %, Corporation Tax at 50% should any company dare make a profit - and 'The Winter of Discontent', where the revolting 'workers' took on the Labour government - the socialist good 'ol days, huh? lol

P.S. Hows the gold market you were preaching about going, apart from south?

GraysAnalogy ... MY agenda?

Please excuse me, I didn't realise that the # campaign informing the Minister that NHS workers DO work at weekends and all the comments within, including adding a bit of Gove spice, was being so non politically NHS objective/driven.

As whether looking at other Public Sector workers i.e. teachers, the police, the tube drivers - you'd be the FIRST.

Grays-

Just ignore him or her. There's no point engaging. They're a Tory propaganda machine and nothing else.

You're right blacksunday no point at all

You short termists are one of the many things wrong with neoberkism, along with privatisation and the stream of money from the public purse to the corporate kleptocracy.

And gold will be fine in the long run. The price is being forced down by the release of millions of ounces of gold futures by the Fed, giving cheap gold to the next leaders of the world's economy, China and Russia. The entire Ponzi scheme that is neoberkism is going to crash.

Come again?

Grays -

'Just ignore the chuckle brothers/sisters. There's no point engaging. They're trying to rewrite history so talk absolute bollocks and nothing else'.

I'm amazed that isit is still here several days later with so much time and energy to invest in this discussion.

Here is an article to help educate isit. Please could you actually read the second paragraph and stop spouting the same old nonsense about what HCP think. With respect, it is v rude and arrogant of you to attempt to do this when you aren't a HCP yourself.

weneedtotalkaboutjeremy.com

puremuscle .... is that the description of your brain, as you appear somewhat self obsessed and refuse to look at the BIGGER picture of how we got to this point.

The money wasted without increasing bed/front line capacity by much, and spent on Consultants salaries/bonuses in those good old days, how NHS demand will increase, as everyone within the NHS is already under pressure/rightly bitching - and so smarter solutions are needed.

I'd say arrogance is any fecking Public Sector worker telling a taxpayer/user funding them they shouldn't have an opinion, especially when everyones an internet expert nowadays, aren't they?.

I didn't need to be a policeman to have an opinion that in 2010 10% of the police out on the street at any one time wouldn't be that affective. Or that a teaching establishment spewing out children without the basics after a decade or more of education shouldn't be telling elected government Ministers that they know best. Or Tube Drivers closing London for unsafe ticket collection was a crock etc etc etc

So by all means start your little (politicized) internet campaigns, but at the end of the day politicized professionals, professional bodies and trade unions need to work with ministers as its their ELECTED responsibility to improve services - and the stakes are too high for ongoing public sector belligerence which is sooooo negative and could cost lives.

If there are NEW problems, take them to the ministers WORKING WITH the head of the NHS by the proper channels; if they were old problems accepted under the Labour administration but now want to kick back because it is a Conservative administration, that is hardly constructive.

The way Labour are going, those politicizing the NHS could have an ELECTED Conservative Health Minister for the NEXT decade, so could be a good time to wind their necks in and constructively get on with it - rather than seek to amuse telling a minster you're working.

Does all this 'putting it to the man' shit happen in the private sector?

Isitme - obviously you are stuck in your opinion which many of us don't agree with. I think no matter what evidence is put before you, you will refer to political spin and misinformation to support your viewpoint. If you don't work for Tory central office I would suggest applying for a job.
I do not work for the NHS and I am a tax payer. I do not believe the rhetoric being employed by the government when it is peppered with misinformation and lies that are so easily countered by common sense. It's clear to most people that there is another agenda behind the latest government 'discussions' and sadly it isn't putting the public first either economically nor medically.

wonkylegs .. I have one question for you.

Do you or don't you think that many workers within the public sector, their professional associations and trade unions are AUTOMATICALLY more hostile to a Conservative government and more likely to pick holes in policy, than if a Labour government?

FYI I have no interest in Conservative HQ, it is just that I have been around for an awfully long time and all I remember from the 1970's is this ideological shit going on - and when the current government is trying to make the best of the dung heap they inherited, with the country £trillions in debt, just THROWING money at the problems are no longer an option.

Seen it, done it, and didn't even meet the demand at the time, never mind accomodate 3 million more citizens and us baby boomers 13-years older.

So with all that in mind, maybe a bit of co-operation from all those with influence, for ALL our sakes, might be honking good idea.

Do you or don't you think that many workers within the public sector, their professional associations and trade unions are AUTOMATICALLY more hostile to a Conservative government and more likely to pick holes in policy, than if a Labour government?

What the hell has this got to do with anything? If you want to discuss the intricacies and politics of years gone by, go and make your own topic, go to 'politics' for gods sake. I actually sigh when i see you've posted on a thread because you do the same thing all around the forum.

and the thing isme is you have no idea what you're talking about. You're too busy stuck banging on about what labour did god knows how many years ago, and ferociously googling bolding and underling to take on board what people are saying. You may get your education on the matter via the tabloids, we don't. We see it first hand. No-one gives a shit about what we think though, thus our outlet is social media.

I don't CARE about the politics. I care about my patients. I care about my colleagues. I care about being able to deliver a safe, quality service that provides good outcomes.

Our problem isn't with the Seven Day NHS par say, which you would know had you allowed us to have a discussion. It's the crap they're spouting to try and belittle and bully the very staff members who are going to be affected the most by the changes. It's the blatant misinformation they're spreading. And ImInWorkJeremy is an answer to that.

I'm not going to reply to you anymore, you've killed the topic anyway and shut down discussion with your constant bringing up the rear for Cameron and co.

Nope I don't agree.
I know of many vocal critics of the former labour government that come from the public sector and I know of many vocal critics of the Tory govt in the private sector ( I'm one of these). I know a public sector workers that vote Tory and private sector that vote labour.
The vocal opposition comes from a reaction to policy - if policies actively disparage and attack the public sector it is logical that they will vocally react.
There is a lot of criticism of the current government policies which are often referred to as short-term ism within my industry (which is in the private sector) but because they don't directly impact on the public the discussions tend to remain within the professional arena... Public sector discussions spill into mainstream media as funnily enough the directly effect the public.
Government will always attract criticism (labour did too) as it's always going to be a compromise but the current lot seem to be attracting an awful lot from many directions.

Jeremy Rhymingslang can get a big dog up him. His party, like the neoberk division of the Labour party want medicine for profit. They forget, or rather fail to mention, that the NHS is, or was until they started monetising healthcare, the most efficient health service in the world. If the neoarses are allowed their way and vast swathes of it are given away we will all suffer.

the elephant in the room in all of this is that the NHS is essentially no longer fit for purpose. the way it has been set up and the way it works now bear no relation to the social structures and conditions of the 1940's - a lifetime away. I honestly don't know enough about the ins and outs of it all as I am not in medicine or the govt. but I can see with my own eyes and my own experiences that it just isn't working as it should and certainly isn't value for money in my opinion. sorry, but there is only one way forward and that is a root and branch review of the service how it works what it does and doesn't cover. as an outsider looking in, I see wards and wards full of old people who aren't actually ill in the accepted definition of the word but are actually old and have issues associated with that. they bed block others and generally hospitals only meet their acute needs on a short term basis. we need to put the whole thing on the table - NHS, end of life care, care and treatment of the elderly etc. we need the kind of proper well thought out strategy that gave birth to the nhs in the first place. but most of all we have to accept that it has to change.