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Corporate Communism this is the beginning

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squidzin · 15/07/2015 09:12

Or actually this has been going on for a while now so we're somewhere in the middle now.
How is it a democracy when power lies entirely in the hands of corporate giants who run our government, pass all legislation to benefit capital and suppress people?

The Tories in the most unfathomable crushing of democracy are to make it illegal to peacefully picket for workers rights

They are already snooping into our private communications. Better not say the word "PROTEST" or you'll have a bullet through your ear.

Wake up. Communism is here, privately funded.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/15/trade-unions-conservative-offensive-decades-strikes-labour

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DoctorTwo · 30/07/2015 09:30

PPI was mis-selling, not fraud.

Righto.

Isitmebut · 30/07/2015 10:44

Whatever, PPI (FOREX, LIBOR or gold fixing) played no part in the banking collapse/crisis as had nothing to do with the far bigger picture U.S. Sub Prime Mortgage market or closure of the interbank market.

Got it?

prh47bridge · 30/07/2015 10:51

I know some people think misselling is fraud but legally there is a difference. The dividing line is sometimes quite thin but, as fraud is a criminal offence, it is important.

If I get you to pay me for a service or product that doesn't exist and which I never had any intention of delivering that is fraud. If I sell you a service that does exist but my advertising makes overstated claims for the service that is unlikely to be fraud.

In the case of PPI the service existed and can be a useful insurance. Bundling it with other products without adequate information to the consumer (which is what PPI misselling was about) is unlikely to cross the threshold required for the courts to treat it as fraud.

Isitmebut · 30/07/2015 11:34

prh47bridge ... what an informative and concise explanation to our resident Doctor, I wish I had your skills, especially the 'concise' bit.

Why say something in 10 words you can say in 100 seems to be my motto.

blacksunday · 30/07/2015 19:04

Anti-union legislation in this country is already the toughest in Europe

No it isn't. It isn't even close.

Yes it is. it is amongst the toughest (if my original unedited post didn't say that)

the number of strikes is at a historical low

Also untrue. It is lower than it was in the 60s and 70s but it is currently on a rising trend.

Meaning, it's at a historical low. Increasing from 1 to 3 once per year doesn't negate the assertion that it's at a 'historical low'.

laws preventing Unions from carrying out the democratic right to strike and support their workers should be repealed

It is a good job we don't have any such laws and the government don't plan any either. The laws we have simply ensure that a strike is called properly.

Incorrect. The laws are there to make it even more difficult to strike than it already is, and even less effective: this is shown by the need to give longer notice of a strike, and the right of employers to bring in substitute workers.
They effectively want to make striking both illegal and ineffective.

The Tory scum are effectively trying to make strikes entirely impossible to carry out

Not at all. They are simply saying that if you want to call a strike you need a decent turnout in the ballot. If union members don't feel strongly enough to vote why should the union be allowed to call a strike?

Incorrect. They are trying to make it more difficult to strike. The filthy Tories are attacking society on the basis of being elected by a percentage of the electorate in the low 20s. If they were so concerned about democracy, they would resign en masse.

As I pointed out earlier in this thread, the entire premise of the thread is wrong. The government is not making it illegal to peacefully picket for workers rights.

No, the premise is correct. The Tories are trying to finish what Thatcher started and effectively make unions completely powerless. This may please you, but it is an attack on all working people.

In countries where unions are stronger, there is a high correlation with workers rights and median pay. Everyone - the poor and middle class - benefits. The only people who don't are the exploiting Capitalist class.

DoctorTwo · 30/07/2015 20:29

Whatever, PPI (FOREX, LIBOR or gold fixing) played no part in the banking collapse/crisis

Way to try to twist my words! These fixes are all fraudulent, even PPI. Otherwise, why would various banks have agreed to not only repay for 'mis-sold' PPI but pay fines for doing so? Again, those in charge (Bob Diamond, former chairman of Barclays said he knew everything that went on there but was silent when asked about LIBOR ROFL) get no sanction. But that's the neoturd way. Steal, fraud, deny, deny deny, pay a fine so smal it actually pays you to do it.

prh47bridge · 30/07/2015 21:15

These fixes are all fraudulent, even PPI. Otherwise, why would various banks have agreed to not only repay for 'mis-sold' PPI but pay fines for doing so?

They did not agree. They were ordered to do so by the regulators. They took the matter to court and lost.

For what it is worth Bob Diamond was Chief Executive, not chairman. Any CEO of a large company who claims they know everything that goes on is lying. In reality the higher up an organisation you go the harder it is to find out what is actually going on.

pay a fine so smal it actually pays you to do it

The fines may have been small but the compensation has been huge. Fining a bank so much that it couldn't compensate the customers who have been missold policies would be stupid.

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