"Organic milk can lead to lower IQ of unborn babies"

[Bobian123]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11566395/Organic-milk-is-less-healthy-than-regular-milk-and-could-harm-child-IQ.html

FFS! I switched to organic milk about a year ago as read it contained more nutrients and the cows were better treated. Am 29 weeks pregnant and now see this story appear....

Was panicked at first but now think "oh for gods sake" - it seems you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. So I've decided not to worry too much about it. Would it put anyone else off though?

I'm a science teacher Thumbwitch.

I remember our science teacher telling us that a Big Mac meal was a balanced and nutritious one.

It's not something I would ever feed my kids.

not sure what your point is Tanith

Well you might want to look a bit more carefully into the science behind mass food production using the current practices then, Charis.

And I think Tanith's point is pretty clear.

We are talking about the damage done by organic food. I was asked to explain why I considered it to be deeply environmentally damaging. I have explained. ( well, partly)

We have a massive world population. We have to feed them. There are many problems within food production and supply, but the answer is NOT to go organic.

The organic industry is compounding the problem, confusing the issues, and sweeping gullible people along with their highly persuasive, mutely coloured, prettily rural looking big bucks marketing and propaganda.

Tanith is apparently trying to be insulting? belittling? by repeating a comment she disagrees with from someone who has something in common with me?

This is not a contribution to the discussion in hand, this is just an attempt to be dismissive, without actually having any information or understanding to contribute.

I'm sorry you found my comment disparaging.

My science teacher was, on paper, perfectly correct. Customers can check the nutritional value of MacDonalds burgers in the leaflets displayed in store. It all looks really good. On paper.

Where he fell down on was in the real world, on practicalities. He focussed only on the scientific data he'd read. He hadn't worked in MacDonalds, or any other fast food establishment. He'd never actually eaten in a MacDonalds restaurant (we asked him ). He had simply read nutritional information provided by the company. He wasn't a nutritionist. He was a Science teacher.

Written information and reports can easily be skewed and biased, depending on who has written them - and often such documents are sponsored by people with vested interests.

If you've worked in organic farming, and have first hand experience of what you write, your opinion holds far more weight than if you are teaching about it from textbooks and texts provided by the companies who want to promote their non-organic view.

charis - you have no notion of my "understanding" or "gullibility" or education in these matters.

Did you read the link about bees and glyphosate and other modern pesticides? Or does that not matter, because it's nothing to do with organic farming? Is it only organic farming that raises your hackles? You don't consider that mass farming techniques are just as, if not more so, damaging to the environment etc.? Well, clearly you don't.

Tanith has another good point.

Maybe reading this will help you out a bit more Charis
orgprints.org/8400/1/Organic_Farming_in_Europe_Volume06_The_Environmental_Impacts_of_Organic_Farming_in_Europe.pdf

Perhaps especially this paragraph from page v:
"The review of the relevant literature with respect to organic farming and its impacts on the environment and resource use showed that organic farming performs better than conventional farming in relation to the majority of environmental indicators reviewed. In no indicator category did organic farming show a worse performance when compared with conventional farming"

Can anyone link to stories about wildlife habitat/ desert / rain forests / temperate forests / peat /heath destroyed so that instead could be created organic plantations? organic palm oil, rice, sugar beet, chickpeas, tea, oranges, organic anything?