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14 yr olds fly from Gatwick to Turkey to join ISIS

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3littlefrogs · 20/02/2015 20:44

How can this happen?
I can't find a link, but just heard on the news that 3 girls aged from 14 to 15 from Bethnal Green Academy managed to go to Gatwick, fly to turkey, and apparently on to Syria to join ISIS.

Surely someone checks at border control at some point?

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VikingVolva · 21/02/2015 19:15

How can you be sure that a jihadi has really repented? And is not just a sleeper?

Who should make that decision?

specialsubject · 21/02/2015 19:22

leaving aside the horrors of why they have been brainwashed into doing this - where did they get the cash to buy the ticket? One seems to have stolen her sister's passport, the others may have their own.

I would suggest that parents (perhaps ALL parents) take secure charge of children's passports. They aren't leaving without those.

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3littlefrogs · 21/02/2015 19:29

My 16 year old dd has just asked me the same question.
Where did they get the money for the tickets?
Do their parents not keep their passports safely somewhere secure?

It really does seem very odd.

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26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 19:38

Umm layth could arrange fake passports and money.... It's very easy

DoraGora · 21/02/2015 20:14

I think the money is no problem. There are endless international money services. The passports I'm not so sure about.

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3littlefrogs · 21/02/2015 20:44

Yes - fake passports are easy if you want fake ID for nightclubs etc, but I didn't think that the general run of the mill fake passport would be good enough for international travel. They would be really expensive, and the girls would have to have access to expert forgers. Which would suggest that the whole thing would have to have been orchestrated and planned by a third party. IMO.

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26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 21:14

Yes the third party was umm layth. Google her

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3littlefrogs · 21/02/2015 21:51

Oh - I see.
How much would the passports cost? - would the girls be able to afford it, or would they need to get funding ? Or is it free?

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26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 22:00

Well clearly money has been no object so far, flights, accomadation.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 21/02/2015 22:41

When white15 yo girls run off to France with their teachers thinking they are in love, we go after them and we prosecute the abuser. We don't say 'their mess' and leave them to sink. These girls deserve the same duty of care.

Samcro · 21/02/2015 22:47

but that 15 yr old was not a threat
she wasn't going to come back and potentially kill anyone.

26Point2Miles · 21/02/2015 23:14

Totally different scenario. A teacher had taken her. Nobody has taken these 3 eejits!

Farahilda · 21/02/2015 23:20

The 15 yo who ran away with her teacher was not committing an offence, or likely so to do.

If these girls are intent on joining/supporting IS, a proscribed organisation, then they will be committing an offence when they cross into IS controlled territory (which they might already have done, but hope that they have not).

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3littlefrogs · 22/02/2015 08:11

I am horrified by that blog and twitter account (umm layth).

Surely there is some way these accounts can be removed? I thought inciting terrorism by any means was a crime? So presumably the host - e.g. twitter is equally responsible?

Disclaimer - I neither blog nor tweet, being an old gimmer who has only just got to grips with computers and phones...

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26Point2Miles · 22/02/2015 09:34

You read it then... Enlightening isn't it. And she's os only young, very scary.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/02/2015 10:45

That 15yo was in danger and so are these.

AuntieStella · 22/02/2015 10:49

Everyone should be rescued from danger, if possible, whether they have arrived at peril through the crimes of another person, or if it arises whilst (on the face of it for these three girls) they are committing a crime themselves.

specialsubject · 22/02/2015 11:32

On reflection it is probably easy for ISIS to send the money, or even book the e-tickets.

so the only defence is the passports. Parents do indeed need to keep them locked away, plus those of older siblings.

as for the comparison with the case of the girl-whose-name-we-all-know, we are TRYING to deal with the abusers here. Trouble is they are not just one paedophile and they have a lot of weapons, and a lot of support.

DoraGora · 22/02/2015 11:38

I think there's only one way to deal with the abusers and the American air force is on the case.

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3littlefrogs · 22/02/2015 15:33

Yes indeed 26Point2Miles.
Thank you for the link.
We all need to educate ourselves about what these young school children are reading; who they are associating with online. Particularly my generation. I find it very disturbing and frightening - not least because such are large percentage of the population are ignorant about what is out there.

Yes - we read warnings about safety online, but there are many parents who probably only have the haziest idea of what is out there.

There are people my age who cannot even use a computer. How on earth do parents safeguard their children from this?

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WetAugust · 22/02/2015 18:07

What could we have done? Nothing. It's impossible to police the Twitter and Facebook accounts of every impressionable 15 year old. Imagine the outcry if the security services had actually done so.

Radicalisation is an issue that the Muslim community must face as only it can solve it.

26Point2Miles · 22/02/2015 22:34

What's the Muslim community doing about it then? No much it seems

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