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US Journalist James Foley killed

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DeadPeopleSeeMe · 20/08/2014 11:52

m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28862268

Apologies if there is already a thread, I couldn't find one.

I am quite shocked by this, especially as the person who killed him reportedly has a British accent.

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Isitmebut · 21/08/2014 15:29

KnittedJimmyChoos ... apart from Cameron then went BACK to the beach to play with his bucket and spade, I think you have it spot on.

What I believe maami is alluding to is that similar to every other proxy war fought for decades by many international players including Russia and America, ISIS were trained as part of the rebel movement in Syria, to fight against President Assad, that I believe has gone on for around 4-years.

The implication would be that the UK is reaping what it has sown, not just having a Brit do a dastardly deed, but for the whole ISIS movement.

Now while there is no dispute James's murderer was a Brit, I doubt very much the UK trained ISIS members, probably within a Syrian rebel (anti Assad) job lot of different folk - so have respectfully asked maami to qualify that statement, as that sounds more C.I.A. than M.I.6. (whoever).

maami · 21/08/2014 17:44

Isitmebut:

www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/08/west-training-syrian-rebels-jordan

But the Guardian has been told that UK intelligence teams are giving the rebels logistical and other advice in some form.

British officials have made it clear that they believe new EU rules have now given the UK the green light to start providing military training for rebel fighters with the aim of containing the spread of chaos and extremism in areas outside the Syrian regime's control.

Isitmebut · 21/08/2014 19:10

Syrian nationalist rebels, having lived in Syria all their lives, I'd suggest are NOT ISIS fighters flying their black flag, trying to set up a new Islamist State across Syria, Iraq, and anywhere else they can grab.

ISIS are 'the wrong type' of rebels.

maami · 21/08/2014 19:49

Thats the problem... Neither you nor i can guarantee that no western trained rebel or arms provided has ended up with isis.. Infact there are reports that say that they have....the rebels from other factions have switched to ISIS in droves as they saw its strength.

The question is.. Why did obama refuse to assist when iraqi PM requested airstrikes against ISIS? The group would have dispersed a long time ago!!

GalaxyInMyPants · 21/08/2014 19:52

I'm worried that stuff like this is going to start happening in the UK as radicalised people over here start doing stuff.

GalaxyInMyPants · 21/08/2014 19:53

We've already had Lee Rigby. I can see there been more similar incidents.

Mintyy · 21/08/2014 19:56

HeySoulSister
Why did you watch the video?

claig · 21/08/2014 20:02

From the US World Net Daily

"[EDITOR'S NOTE: Since publication, this story has been corrected to clarify that the fighters trained in Jordan became members of the ISIS after their training.]

JERUSALEM – Syrian rebels who would later join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.

The officials said dozens of future ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

The Jordanian officials said all ISIS members who received U.S. training to fight in Syria were first vetted for any links to extremist groups like al-Qaida.

In February 2012, WND was first to report the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region.

That report has since been corroborated by numerous other media accounts.

Last March, the German weekly Der Spiegel reported Americans were training Syrian rebels in Jordan."

www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan/#H7TJ0yp4HD3i02vq.99

For the first time in ages, Channel 4 News finally had a representative from the Syrian government on the show. She explained to Jon how the Syrians have been combatting the whole lot of these Jihadists and terrorists for years. Jon did the usual shouting act, but she explained that the whole region needs a conference to talk peace and combat this threat to humanity by the barbaric terrorists know as Isis. Jon shouted and didn't listen or understand, but at least Channel 4 News finally interviewed a Syrian government representative rather than the usual cast of London Jihadi sympathisers that are so often shown on TV.

"Five Russian Sukhoi fighter jets have arrived in Iraq, the first of 25 warplanes expected to be delivered under a contract between Moscow and Baghdad, the Iraqi Ministry of Defense said in a statement.

A video the ministry released Monday showed the jets, with wings unattached, being pulled toward hangars.

"These jet fighters will contribute to increase the combat capability of the air force and the rest of the armed forces in eliminating terrorism," the ministry said.

The Su-25 has been in service for more than three decades and was part of the Iraqi air force under Saddam Hussein's regime.

The announcement follows a comment by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki that recent militant advances might have been avoided if Iraq had proper air power, in the form of fighter jets that Iraq has been trying to get from the United States.

"I'll be frank and say that we were deluded when we signed the contract" with the United States, al-Maliki told the BBC in the interview last week, which was released Friday.

Iraq has now turned to Russia and Belarus to buy fighter jets, he said. "God willing, within one week, this force will be effective and will destroy the terrorists' dens," he said.

U.S. officials were quick to reject al-Maliki's complaints.

U.S. fighter jets have not been slow in coming, Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby said.

The first two promised F-16s "weren't expected to be delivered until the fall, which is still months away," Kirby said. "And we were in the process of working towards that delivery."

edition.cnn.com/2014/06/30/world/asia/russian-jets-in-iraq/

Isitmebut · 21/08/2014 23:10

So please correct me if I was wrong, re the UK government training ISIS in Jordan, it has no foundation wotsoever.

Also re the U.S training Syrian rebels who then went over to ISIS, they never knowingly trained ISIS members, but as we have found in Iraq, Sunni's had been drawn to them through dissatisfaction with their own government - which was why they were Syrian Rebels in the first place - so I guess found a more effective way to carryout their objective.

maami .... re why Obama never helped the Iraqi P.M. Al-Maliki, we recently went over this on the Rest of the Middle East thread, but basically he was a Shia non inclusive leader, alienating the Kurds and Sunnis, which was why he couldn't effectively mobilize the 270,000 mixed Shia/Sunni army - so after 8-years as leader, he was a major part of the internal problem, was relying on Iran to prop him up, so had to go first - otherwise ISIS would have carried on recruiting and being supported, by Iraqi Sunnis.

claig · 21/08/2014 23:18

Isitmebut, you can't take all news reports literally. Some things remain unsaid. You have to read between the lines. Jon Snow shouts some things but is silent on others.

"Regime Change in Iraq: Standing in Washington’s Way. Why Obama Wants Maliki Removed"

"The Obama administration is pushing for regime change in Iraq on the basis that current prime minister Nouri al Maliki is too sectarian. The fact is, however, that Maliki’s abusive treatment of Sunnis never factored into Washington’s decision to have him removed. Whether he has been “too sectarian” or not is completely irrelevant. The real reason he’s under attack is because he wouldn’t sign the Status of Forces Agreement in 2011. He refused to grant immunity to the tens of thousands of troops the administration wanted to leave in Iraq following the formal withdrawal. That’s what angered Washington. That’s why the administration wants Maliki replaced."

www.globalresearch.ca/regime-change-in-iraq-standing-in-washingtons-way-why-obama-wants-maliki-removed/5396239

claig · 21/08/2014 23:31

'after 8-years as leader, he was a major part of the internal problem'

Why did it take so long to find out? What did Maliki do or not do that changed things?

Isitmebut · 22/08/2014 08:35

Claig …. I suspect that you always spend too long looking between lines, rather than accept the obvious, rolling down those lines right in front of you.

Whereas I’m sure Obama might have been peed off if the Shia Al-Maliki had not signed a reconstruction type agreement in 2011 that would probably have retained many of the Sunnis from the Sunni administration of Saddam Hussein, a LOT of sectarian water has gone under the bridge since then, and Al-Maliki’s indifference to the Sunnis and Kurds WAS heading for a three State Iraq, no doubt with a serious bun fight on national assets, like who gets the oil wells.

“Iraqi Sunnis' long struggle since Saddam”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25559872

Add into that Al-Maliki was so desperate to cling to power he brought in Iran to prop him up RATHER than be an inclusive leader, where was that heading politically and strategically in the country, in the region? Certainly not to the west’s liking, or even worse, no chance of a united Iraq and the Sunnis and Kurds expecting to be attacked by Shia Iran, if Shia Al Maliki requested it.

Enter Sunni ISIS, and the real threat that Sunni Iraqi’s under threat from Shiites from both Iran and Iraq, would join ISIS on mass.

So based on the details of Al Maliki’s pro Shia administration in the link above marginalising those previously in power, the Iran influence on Iraq - and ISIS recruiting and being supported by Iraqi Sunni’s – these are far better reasons why Al-Maliki had to be P 45’d.

P.S. Re this thread about James Foley, did you realise that he was captured in Syria by ISIS as he was so passionate about telling ‘the people’s’ story; the Syrian people, being bombed and subjected to nerve gas by Assad, that politicians in the West abandoned.

CaptChaos · 22/08/2014 11:11

Ah! How I love it when people who don't know what they're talking about pontificate on what the British Military are doing.

They were out training in logistics. Rebuilding infrastructure, mine and IED clearance, but hey, if you want to believe that they were out there training people to cut other people's heads off, you do that. Hope the tin foil doesn't cut into your scalp too much Grin

maami · 22/08/2014 23:20

Training in logistics..? Is that what theyre telling you..?

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