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Appalling working conditions for police officers

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Dadarren · 18/08/2014 13:55

ASTONISHING CLAIMS

POLICE chiefs stand accused of pushing cops to “breaking point” on Commonwealth Games duty — as it was claimed some officers are working mammoth 14-hour shifts without breaks.

Whistleblowers said they were aware that two of their stressed colleagues wet and messed themselves when they were denied time off to use the toilet.

Others are said to have gone without food or water during day-long patrols.
And rank and file cops — praised by fans for their friendly nature — say failures by top brass have caused chaos behind the scenes.

Last night, Scottish Police Federation leaders confirmed they were investigating and had raised a list of complaints with Chief Constable Sir Stephen House’s senior team. One of the complaints related to reports that two officers had "accidents" whilst in uniform.

One source said: "A WPC had to resort to using some bushes as a toilet whilst patrolling a perimeter fence on a 12-hour shift after being denied a comfort break and we know of a young male officer who found the wait for relief unbearable and wet himself in the middle of the busy Buchanan Street.

"Another officer, who was suffering from a stomach upset, soiled himself after being repeatedly denied access to a portable toilet as he did not have the correct accreditation pass. He had been denied a break — despite asking five times.”

The source also claimed exhausted bobbies have had to take the wheel of vehicles. Another insider said dozens of officers destined for Glasgow were left standing for hours at a park-and-ride point on the edge of Dunfermline after a transport blunder. The source described cops as “dangerously tired, overworked and demoralised”. They added: “It’s only a matter of time before one falls asleep travelling to or from work.

“Bosses are claiming the security operation is a success — but they have a workforce ready to drop and running very close to one of us being killed due to driving tired.

“The police operation is a dangerous joke and officers at breaking point.”
Sources said one cop was made to work a Games shift lasting 20 hours. And officers from Ayrshire called in sick when their days off were cancelled after working 11 shifts in a row. It’s also claimed a local police chief sent home cops who were deployed to the Barry Buddon shooting venue in Carnoustie, Angus, because there were too many of them.

Federation chairman Brian Docherty stressed officers were doing a “fantastic job” despite facing a string of problems. He confirmed that some have complained about the conditions but insisted force chiefs were “doing their best” to sort out the situation.

A Police Scotland spokeswoman said they had looked into claims about an officer wetting himself and had not yet been able to identify the constable said to be involved.

She was adamant police teams do have access to water. And she said a “small number” of officers due to travel from Dunfermline were delayed for a “short period due to a “minor transport issue”.

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ThatBloodyWoman · 20/08/2014 08:23

I think when people sign up to the police, they know there are certain widely accepted work conditions that will not apply to them.
But certain benefits do.....currently serving police officers do rather well for rail travel, for example....

GalaxyInMyPants · 20/08/2014 08:41

It sounds awful.

I workfor the nhs. 13 hour shifts no break, no food, no drink. I will normally manage to have a wee at some point though by the time I get there I'm normally close to wetting myself after holding it in for ages.

Redglitter · 20/08/2014 09:57

They only get free rail travel when they're on duty unless they're maybe transport police.

I don't think when they sign up they expect to have one of their few weekends off cancelled with only days notice, or to have shift lengths doubled, with little warning. no one expects it to be a straight forward job or to finish every day at the end of your shift but the expectations now are beyond a joke

Discoflame · 20/08/2014 10:27

I imagine the biggest benefit would have been the good pension. But now that's all being wittered away as well. I can't think of any other benefits that police get. Rail travel is free only if you are on duty so not really a benefit. Not that you choose a job based on the benefits of course but in a thankless job it's hard to keep moral up just now.

Redglitter · 20/08/2014 10:29

Course the pensions only good cos of the massive payments cops & firefighters pay in every month

PancakesAndMapleSyrup · 20/08/2014 22:14

Rail travel is not free, heavily subsidised yes, but you pay for it monthly. Another couple of years and that will be gone as well, its not offered to new recruits either. Days off cancelled with no notice, and im talking Hours.......being told you cant leave work until you are told etc theperks that used to be there no longer justify the position you put yourself in on a daily basis. The paperwork duplication and triplication....dont get me started.

Shesparkles · 20/08/2014 22:20

A lot of my friends worked the CWG and depending on where in the country you were based, the conditions were HORRENDOUS.
Anyone fancy doing a 12 hour nightshift with 2 hours travelling on each side of that?
That was when your transport in the morning to return you home turned up on time.....not uncommon for officers to get back to base (not home, some of them live an hour away from base) at 11:30am, and have to muster again at 5:30 PM
And this was for 6/7/8 nights in a row...
I've not heard these kind of tales 2nd and 3rd hand, but first hand....I could say more but I'd lose my job

BeerTricksPotter · 20/08/2014 22:34

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TheFairyCaravan · 20/08/2014 22:48

Shesparkles I don't doubt they worked hard, but this is not unusual for lots of people.

We live an hour and 20 minutes from where DH works. He has to do 12 hour night and day shifts at times, sometimes longer. Nurses have to do 12 hour shifts. DS1 is training for the Army, his day very often begins at 5am and ends at 11pm. This is 7 days a week.

I agree with you BeerTricks I would have just nipped to the toilet. I bet some of them did.

Redglitter · 20/08/2014 23:03

You have no idea how strict the position was for people on CWG duties. I can't even tell you some things people were instructed not to deal with because they were on CWG duties but it was absolutely shocking, in fact shocking doesn't begin to describe it.

Even if someone had left their point there was very probably absolutely nowhere to go

Shesparkles · 21/08/2014 06:49

Beertricks and Fairy caravan, if you think that a police officer can just "nip to the toilet" , you clearly have no idea what it means to work in a disciplined service, however you might want to ask your son about the consequences of ignoring a direct order.

As far as I was aware this isn't a competition about who worked the longest hours, we all know what nurses etc do...the point which was made was about what an utter balls up the CWG was operationally. As I said, I can't say more as I'm probably already risking my job with what I've said

Sunna · 21/08/2014 06:58

My DC2's GF had to piss in a gutter when she was kettled as did dozens of others. The cops looked on uncaring.

Same thing happened to me on protests in the 60s.

I find it hard to muster much sympathy.

TheFairyCaravan · 21/08/2014 11:19

shesparkles I've not got much sympathy, tbh.

My DH has been in the Forces for almost 28 years, I've been married to him 20 so I have a very good idea of what it is like to "work in a disciplined service".

He did a lot of work in order to get people on the ground to cover the Olympics. Many of these people had just come back from tours of duty and had their leave cancelled. Never mind living an hour from base, they were staying in London and not allowed home for weeks on end. DH only didn't go because I needed surgery.

The CWG might have been a balls up operationally, but people are moaning about Police Officers working 12 hour shifts, living an hour away from base, it is what other people do every single day!

Dadarren · 21/08/2014 13:20

The one who soiled himself might JUST have managed to avoid detection by others in the vicinity, at least until he managed to get himself out of public view, but the poor officer who supposedly wet himself in the street must have surely been spectacularly embarrassed, especially if he was as desperate as suggested.

Not sure too many of us would cope easily with such an incident?

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ThatBloodyWoman · 21/08/2014 14:23

Exactly Sunna.

Given experiences I've had, my sympathy is limited to say the least!

CaptChaos · 21/08/2014 14:37

They should join the Met, seems you get all sorts of "perks" with them.

VashtaNerada · 21/08/2014 14:48

This doesn't surprise me at all, sounds similar to the Olympics. I'm in London and the working conditions and caseloads for police officers are shocking. Bring back the days of intelligence-led policing when they actually had the time and resources to do what they're paid to do.

ThatBloodyWoman · 21/08/2014 15:06

Well said Capt.

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