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Jamie Olivers rant about packed lunches.

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misdee · 08/09/2006 07:11

LONDON (Reuters) - Jamie Oliver, the television chef famous for his crusade to improve school dinners, lashed out at parents on Thursday over the food they give to their children.

Speaking at the launch of his new TV programme, Oliver said 70 percent of packed lunches in were "disgraceful" and he would like to see them banned.

He said the decisions parents made regarding the diets of their children
were sometimes just plain wrong.
"I've spent two years being politically correct about parents but it's time to say, if you're giving your young kids fizzy drinks, you're an a*hole and a tosser," Oliver said.

"If you give them bags of crisps, you're an idiot. If you aren't cooking them a hot meal, sort it out."

Oliver said headteachers were too frightened of some parents to tell them what they should give their child to bring to school.

He was particularly critical of parents who give their children Red Bull an energy drink when they are tired, saying it was not much better than giving them a line of cocaine.

Oliver's new programme, "Jamie's Return to School Dinners", is a follow-up to his successful Channel 4 series on improving school meals.

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calebsmummy · 14/09/2006 15:21

And Ulyssees, I have often seen children with horrendous packed lunches on school trips. Whole tubes of Pringles, whole packets of biscuits. Why?? And all too often these were the overweight children. In fact it was sad to see that many of the children in A's class in London were overweight. This was a pretty good school too, but I would say only a handful were of the right weight for their age. When I compare it to his forst primary school in Somerset, they had perhaps one in his class who could be classed as overweight. It's very sad.

twelvecloud · 14/09/2006 18:25

my ds took a kiwi fruit in his packed lunch one day as he loves kiwis

The second day it was returned uneaten and when I asked him why he said his friends laughed at him because it looked funny and he was silly.

He asked me not to put in anything that his friends might laugh at in future.

I find that very sad.

Greensleeves · 14/09/2006 18:44

Awww, twelvecloud, that is sad, and not just in a smug-foodie way.

I'm so not looking forward to mine starting school.

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roastporkcurry · 14/09/2006 18:59

I supported Jamie Oliver when he started his campaign, but I am getting a little tired of him now.

I think that the menu's that he has introduced to schools so far are fantastic.
When I was a kid you just got what you were given and made to sit at the table until you had eaten every last bit. It was foul. Needless to say many of my dinnerladys had been covered in my brussel sprout sick at some point in their career, and I didn't experience many afternoon lessons either, due to the fact I refused to touch the stuff and therefore was made to stay at the table by myself until hometime.
My Mom hit the roof, and from that point on I had packed lunches. The only downside to this was that when I reached secondary school, you couldn't eat in the dining hall when everybody was having their Xmas dinners, and I found myself having to eat outside in the wind, snow and sleet. I would have killed for the food kids are being offered now!

Saying that though, it does go to show that some kids will starve themselves for days at a time in order to retaliate against elders who lecture them on their eating habits, despite what the health visiters say. Jamie Oliver needs to keep this in mind.

He also needs to remember when he is threatening to throw a wobbly at parents is that adults, not unlike himself, can revert back to childhood defences when they feel threatened or upset, and making statements that tar all parents (with the exception of the most militant)with the same brush will undo all the good work he has done so far. Parents will turn off the telly. A bit of guidence is always appreciated, but this heavy come-down is a bit too much like the lectures and attitude I received as a child. Didn't we get enough of this from the government over vaccinations?

He is very lucky to have such lovely children who will eat his food, but the vast majority of children are far more picky, as he found out when they did the survey to see how well the scheme was going down with these "guinea pig" school children.

For years we have been told that a balanced diet is best, and that the occasional sweetie won't hurt. It is well stated that all kids tastes are different. They have the right to refuse a food if they hate it, just as adults do.
I was always told to persevere and be patient, and encourage children to see the joy in the food they are eating. I'm sure many children only saw Jamie Olivers scheme as "shock treatment", and who knows what the result of that may be further down the line.

I understand why it has been commented on about him having a go at parents, when he isn't the main childcarer. Being in the position of being able to work and having time away from his family may cloud his judgement a little, because he can separate himself enough do deal with problems he may encounter. If you are a full time carer with little opportunity of getting out the house, or spending 30 minutes away from your kids, for years on end, you tend to take a slightly different slant on things. It takes more than simply making a meal and putting it in front of your child, to actually get them to eat it. And neither is it just a matter of taste or looks, it is also texture.

Maybe he could give his wife a break from child raising and let her take over the reins on this parent attack for a bit while he looks after the kids. I know he has commented that she isn't that good at the food side, and that he provides her with the information she needs in order to cook, but she must be fairly competent at what she does, else his "help" would simply not work.

Just lately I have felt under pressure because of the things he has reportedly said, and I don't give my children this unhealthy diet he talks about! Even so, I do have problems with them when it comes to feeding them and have done since their first drop of breastmilk!
Some days they leave their fruit and only eat carbs. They detest meat, yet will not touch egg or lentils. Recently, my eldest gave in to Quorn burgers and I was overjoyed at this breakthrough, but am still feeling guilty because even though this is fulfilling the nutritional requirements he was lacking, I cannot get my daughter to eat it, and it is still a "ready meal". Saying that though, it is starting to get hard for me to bring myself to stand for hours preparing everything and making a meal from scratch, because I know it is all for nothing. I love cooking, but their reaction takes the joy out of it for even ME. I constantly worry about their nutrients because looking at "guidelines" they are actually getting them all, but there's no way they are eating as much as they are meant to!

When I was having serious problems with them (especially my daughters refusal to drink milk) my local health visiters were less than helpful. As I was doing everything they were suggesting already, all they could offer were weight checks and possible "protein drinks" if they found her weight decreasing.
One of my son's friends were put on this drink and now his mother has even more problems with him. Just trying to get this drink into him was hard enough and she feels controlled by the health visiters now.

I would very much like Jamie Oliver to tackle these problems before school age - maybe the problems he encountered in the schools would lessen in the future by doing this.
Actual practical advice without the uncaring lectures would be the answer to most parents prayers, and at the end of the day children are individual. They are not statistics. Caring parents know what is best for their children, not "professionals" who have never even met the children in question. If professionals REALLY wanted to help, they would work WITH the parents, not bully them into a corner because of their self-inflated ego, or because of pressure from the powers that be.

I feel that at present, Jamie Oliver is comparing everyone elses children to his own, and everyone else has to suffer because of this. It's a real shame. I had high hopes when he first started out.

roastporkcurry · 14/09/2006 19:14

It seems I have had my wires crossed about giving children cocoa. For years it had been scowled on to give them this regularly as a drink, but look what I found in an email sent to me from Tesco!

"Hot cocoa
Warm up with hot cocoa to help your brain as well as your frostbitten fingers. Chang Young Lee, professor of food chemistry at Cornell University, found that the antioxidant content of two tablespoons of pure cocoa powder is "almost two times stronger than red wine, two to three times stronger than green tea and four to five times stronger than that of black tea." The antioxidants in hot cocoa protect brain cells from oxidative stress that can lead to Alzheimer's and other disorders."

It's no wonder parents get confused over what they should and shouldn't be giving their kids!

Greensleeves · 14/09/2006 19:16

I think the problem with cocoa is the sugar that needs to be added in order to make it palatable to a child. It's traditionally a drink last thing at night, which isn't ideal for their teeth. I presume.

Twinklea · 14/09/2006 21:54

1 of my girls is on a very restricted diet as it is, so i always check labels, and i think jamie oliver should target the companies who make kids snacks aswell, not just the parents. I'm shocked that simple ready salted hulahoops have MSG in them.

Maybe he should start bollocking lazy parents who give babies juice in bottles instead of trainer cups too, and parents who think its ok for 5yr olds to ride in buggies and suck dummies.

Jimjams2 · 14/09/2006 21:56

those funny bear shaped crisp things have msg in them as well which is a pain as ds1 can spot them a mile off and tries to grab them (neither he nor ds3 can have msg).

juuule · 14/09/2006 22:19

Hmmm just thinking that JOs children are only 3 and 4. My eldest ate everything put in front of him until he started school and then he didn't like the taste, then he didn't like the look of foods that he had previously liked. He had a very narrow range of foods that he would actually eat and it wasn't what would be recognised now as particularly healthy. It took him until he was 13-ish until he started to try various foods again. He is now 19 and is healthy and eats most things and will have a go at a lot of others. And while he was in his 'faddish' phase he would rather not eat than eat what I thought he should.

twelvecloud · 14/09/2006 22:21

i'm sorry but I really really take strong objection to being called a lazy parent just because a my child sucked a dummy until he was 5 and a half.

He was quite ill as a baby.. in and out of hospital plus some behavioural probs and I split with my ex too when he was 4. It was a comfort thing and he needed it.

His teeth and speech are fine.

I might as well give myself a label as a child abuser, as I so obviously don't give a shit about my kids and i'm was so lazy to get myself of my fat arse to do anything about my sons dummy sucking.

oh and I push my 4 yr old dd round in a pushchair round town because she has no road sense, won't hold my hand and wanders off and I DARENT put a wrist strap on her in case I endure the wrath of a passing mumsnetter and then will get slagged off on mumsnet.

oh and my kids had a mini chocolate bar after thier tea of pizza and then gorged themselves on Spinach (honestly I kid you not) , raspberry's a banana each and a few strawberries. But oh I'm a lazy bad mother cos they had chocolate.

And don't even get me started on Jamie Oliver....

BTW I'm SGM i changed my name on another thread in case you think i'm a troll

mumandlovingit · 15/09/2006 07:48

please dont moan at me but my minds gone blank this morning.whats msg? i know its not great for you or something but for the life of me i cant remember what it is.when my children go to their grans i know she feeds them them bear crisps and hula hoops so if i know what it is its yet another reason for her to stop feeding them them.

mumandlovingit · 15/09/2006 07:49

is it monosodim glutamate? what actually is it and what does it do to kids?

Jimjams2 · 15/09/2006 08:32

ds1 ande ds3 can't have it because of the glutamate. Ds1 is severely autistic, and it sends him crazy- ds3 has the same gut problems as ds1 so we're careful with him. Some people are allergic to msg. It's not pure evil or anything, it's just something we have to avoid with 2 of the 3 boys.

gscrym · 15/09/2006 08:39

My ds's packed lunch everyday for nursery is:-

Chocolate spread sarnies on that bread with wholemeal and white. I have recently sneaked a little mashed banana in with it. It's taken 2 years to do that.

A fruit winder thing
A cereal bar
2 Fromage frais pots (or yogurt)
About 500mls fruit juice.

He eats the lot. I tried to change to ham or cheese. He went the whole time at nursery not eating his lunch. He eats chicken fillet strips or sausages (from butcher) and wedges at home.

I'm really pleased Jamie Oliver has daughters who aren't fussy eaters. I keep trying DS on healthier options but the stuff he does eat, I make sure it's the healthiest I can make it. As someone else said, I'd like Jamie Oliver to come round mine for a couple of weeks and get DS to eat. That would be an interesting programme.

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Jimjams2 · 15/09/2006 08:49

For a long time ds1 lived on Walker's ready salted crisps Fio, if we go out for the day I always take a pack as I know its something he'll eat. They were the closest he got to a vegetable for 4 tyears as well! And the rule in this house is "if ds1 can eat it's it's pretty ok".

I suspect people are upset by the salt or something.

Jimjams2 · 15/09/2006 08:51

yeah- msg high in chinese restaurant food (often). hmmm craving a chinese take away....

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joelallie · 15/09/2006 11:07

"Hmmm just thinking that JOs children are only 3 and 4."

Yes Juule - an uncharitable part of me thought that too... Mine ate everything I gave them up till they started school - I used to be really smug 'cos DS#1s fav meal was shell-on mussels and any other kind of fish. Not now though.

I agree about crisps - sorry can't remember who said that - ready salted are fairly 'clean' really, even salt and vinegar aren't too bad. The only issue for me is perhaps the salt but I often buy the salt and shake and take the blue packet out.

joelallie · 15/09/2006 11:09

BTW on the subject of MSG generally I think it's sh*t! I've been on a low-carb diet for years and eaten virtually no processed food and now I can't take anything with MSG - I get the shakes and the sweats and my heart races. Nasty stuff.

Jimjams2 · 15/09/2006 12:44

chinese curry??? bleeurgh!

RuthT · 15/09/2006 15:00

If you think the packed lunches of the UK kids are bad you should see the coice of food in the USA

UnquietDad · 15/09/2006 15:48

Now it seems the supporters of Mr Oliver are facing this kind of active opposition:
"This is all down to that Jamie Oliver. Well I don't like him or what he stands for - he is forcing our kids to be more picky about their food."

They should set up their own campaign. Call it Fat Areholes Eating Crp in Environs of Schools (FAECES).

"Forcing our kids to be more picky" indeed. What planet do these stupid women live on?

mumandlovingit · 15/09/2006 15:59

FEACES
love it!
i didnt really know alot about msg before.ive always tried to be careful with colourings etc and salt and sugar contents etc.my eldest goes weird on alot of things including alot of paracetamol! the colouring is amaranth which sends some kids weird and can aggrivate asthma i think.astonishing whats in alot of food .you dont realise until you start to look at the ingredients and decipher the e numbers.i think everything in moderation is okay.i dont deprive my kids of all the things theyd love to eat like sweets and crisps and chocolate etc, just in moderation.their main diet is healthy so a treat here or there isnt going to harm them.some people say years ago people didnt worry so much and fuss so much but to be fair, there weren't so many colourings and crap put into fod then as there is now, there's a difference.good on jamie oliver for at least trying to make a difference even if its small for some families.

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