Missing Malaysia Air plane

[KenAdams]

It's so sad. They still haven't found anything, but thinks it's crashed into the sea.

For anyone that hasn't heard

Katz...exactly and as far as I know ground communication is only possible via fdeck, certainly on ac I fly on, but I could well be wrong.

michonnes...again, I agree. This sounds like a horrid generalisation and is absolutely not true of all of them but some flight crew are incredibly egotistical and think because they sit in the pointy end you must never answer back, disagree or disobey. There have been cases of the crew being worried to query something with a pilot because they've been too scared and it has resulted in incident or worse. Obviously some breaches have occurred with this f/o in the past and I'm sure do happen more than we would like to think. Having said that, I worked for a big national carrier for a long time and never once saw protocol re fdeck entry being broken.

Oh my god, i was hoping to wake up to news that it had been found, but hijacked :( i was really hoping it hadn't. BUT at least there is still hope of survivors if it has landed somewhere.

I bet the US has more info, those mofos know everything

They weren't children meditrina, these girls were very pretty, very blonde Australians who looked to be in their 20s.

They were interviewed last night and there were photos of them in the cockpit with the pilot and co pilot.

It all looked a bit flirty to me, but maybe I read it wrong.

Sorry I can't link from phone, but there's alone somewhere up thread about this - there is documented evidence in the form of numerous photographs that one of the pilots on this flight previously invited two adult ladies to spend the flight with him inside the flight deck.

The girl said he picked her and her fiend out from the queue and invited them. They were shocked to be allowed in the flight deck for the duration of the flight,from take off to landing. She had several photographs of her and her friend posing with the pilot.

There is a tv interview with this girl linked up thread. So at least one of the pilots on this flight has previously committed a serious breach of security procedure.

wondering at the diplomatic stuff going on in the background now. wonder who is negotiating with whom; who is helping and who is not. the poor families.

It's not really fair of me to cast aspersions about this poor pilot though, but just wanted to point out that he has a proven record of allowing people on flight deck. And it seems that the crew were complicit in this - there seems to be no suggestion that the crew had any issues with their actions - which made me wonder how commonplace this practise was on some airlines?

Thanks for the clarification that one incident was not girls but women, though as Michones refers again to a girl (and her 'fiend'!) in a queue, does that mean a separate incident with children that time?

I suppose they're allegations that only surfaced after the incident, and that no-one yet knows if it's true. But as more of the crew than just the pilots would know who was going onto the flight deck, this is something that can be quickly corroborated (though not necessarily made public at this stage).

So now it seems we're firmly in Hollywood territory - did they ever release details of what the cargo was?

They know what has happened but they're not saying. Why did they spend time searching other locations when they knew the route of the plane from the pings?

This must be so distressing for the families, my thoughts are with them.

Sorry, it's my turn of phrase that is confusing - by 'girl' I do mean young woman (I still call myself a girl and I'm in my 30s!)

And yes I'm referring to the same incident as others on this thread, and yes it has been documented - there are numerous photos of the young ladies in the flight deck with the pilots. I'll try and find the link, much easier than trying to describe it!

I've just done a quick search of several news sites and most say it was deliberate action etc but they haven't confirmed hijack so could have been the pilots...one site said pilot suicide was still the most likely cause?

so theyre investigating the histories of crew and passengers to see if anyone has a history of aeronautics.. engineering, strong religious or political views; depression,
and they need to check what cargo was in there - surely would have to be something of incredible value to be worth all of the planning/risk

musing myself back to the 'why' question
why would you take a 777

And the beeb says that the PM of Malaysia said the plane could have flown for a further seven hours, not the five that the US are thinking. And that it is going to be virtually impossible to search as the potential area to look over is so huge. If it adds an extra two hours to flight time then it could have ended up almost anywhere.

The more deafening the silence the more one thinks the worst has happened in terms of loss of life :(

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26591056

A quick google has established that the "girls" were teenage but the pictures certainly look closer to 19 than 13.

I wonder, if it was pilot suicide though, why would they go to the bother of diverting? They could have just ditched the plane on its existing route.

Just seen another report saying the plane flew for 8 hours ... I too think they know where it went and are just not saying

so...
it was a pilot
-explains knowledge of gap between aircomms allowing the 15 min gap
-generally easier than a stranger to flight ie knows the systems

it was a terrorist
-explains flying erratically at different heights
-everything technologically needed could be learned online
-2 Iranians - bit more of a strange coincidence?
-explains they didn't know to turn the engine trackers off

Actually, my brief confusion over terminology might also point to another relevant angle. This is a multi-national investigation (and expanding to more nations). Even if they are using English as lingua Franca, there could be room for error via mistranslation or idiom.

I'm not sure I buy the suicide theory. Why would you go to all that effort instead of not just plunging it down into the ground there and then? It's so calculated. That would make you a complete homicidal maniac to go to these extremes, would it not? (also not saying those poor people on the Silkair flight were not murdered either but this is excess iyswim.)

caffinch very true, wonder if there was something else on board to consider.

I should add that the blonde lady (Australian?) is in my mind, as she's the one the UK news has singled out, as the human angle of the story.

Apart from a young French couple, I've seen very little about anyone else on board, but I'm very aware of everyone else too... more than a hundred families going through hell :(

Thee have been several pilot suicide cases though as difficult as it is to understand

I think it is very very worrying that if this is a hijacking by a terrorist group that no one has 'claimed' it.
Might this mean that the real terror attack has not yet been carried out? The group behind it are waiting to claim responsibility until the plan is finished?

I too think that surely more must be known than is being shared with the public.

It is a terrible thing to say but the least frightening option is that this plane has crashed. Even if the people on board had been taken as hostages somewhere how likely is it that they are going to keep them alive?

If it was a suicide, though, then that would only be one person unless there's some sort of crazed suicide plot and/or the person committing suicide had killed the other pilot first or anyone with knowledge of how to fly and land a plane? Surely the person could have been overpowered in all that time, as was the case with one of the 9/11 planes, even if there were guns involved? I can't understand how it would happen.

I'm just wildly speculating ofc but it seems really unlikely. Which means I'm probably 100% wrong.

moon I thought the same too :(

I think the fact that it disappeared between the two countries' airspace really points to one of the pilots being involved in some way. Although I agree, it's hardly a "conventional" pilot suicide.

Those poor, poor families. How on earth can a 777 fly undetected for 7 hours? It seems incredible.

Living - but if the pilot was suicidal then they could wait until the other pilot went to the loo and lock them out. I think that's what happened on the Ethopian plane where the co-pilot finally landed in Switzerland wanting political asylum.

Pre 9/11 didn't a lot of people think a locked cockpit was a dangerous idea due to this, or if the pilots suffered from hypoxia etc. There is no way to get in. (I think, could be wrong)