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Mums Agains Fracking

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SalisburyMummy · 06/11/2013 21:49

So many people are unaware of the dangers, and the simple things they can do, like switching to a green energy supplier, Writing to your MPs & MEPs.

I am starting teddy bear picnic demonstrations in Salisbury town centre every Wednesday lunchtime, with nursery rhyme singing etc. to get out there and talk to people. Other info on my fb page:
www.facebook.com/groups/249553771863223/

Im hoping other mums in other towns will follow suit.

It makes me so sad when I think about what could happen to our beautiful country. We need to act now before it is too late.

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barcombeboy · 11/11/2013 10:56

Hello.

Can I just take the opportunity to debunk a few myths circulating in this thread. We need to discuss fracking as, depending on where you live, it will have a huge impact on your general amenity. To discuss it properly facts are required. Unfortunately the industry and main stream media mainly practice obfuscation.

Fracking has been going on for ages

It has, but the fracking developed by Haliburton in 1996 is nothing like the fracking practiced before this. Haliburton developed high volume high pressure slick water horizontal hydraulic fracturing (HVHF). Previously the vast majority of fracking was not horizontal, not deep, not incredibly high pressure and did not use a cocktail of toxic chemicals. In comparison it was extremely cuddly, almost benign.
As HFHV is a new technology we are still understanding the short term effects of it... (we've not even got to the mid-term or long-term legacy of fracturing a whole layer of rock and leaving billions of gallons of toxic fracking fluid hanging around in it)

Fracking can be compared to conventional drilling

The most important fact is the number of wells required. A conventional well is drilled into a reservoir of oil/gas. The single well continues to work quietly (think nodding donkey) for years or decades until the reserve is completed.
Fracking (or unconventional drilling) can only extract the oil/gas from the fractured shale for as long as the horizontal bores (absolute max 2km, more usually nearer 1km). The nearby shale gas is depleted very quickly. Often the life span of a fracking well will be less than 5 years. This means that a huge number of wells are required to extract the gas. To extract a mere 5% of the gas estimated to be in Sussex will take 6,700 of them!

Each single well comes with:

  • Huge number of truck movements (to get water/chemical/equipment in and gas out) and new roads/tracks to accommodate them
  • 24/7 drilling/compression/extraction noise and 24/7 floodlights
  • 14 metre gas burn-off flare
  • An average of 4 million gallons of fresh water poisoned with up to 1.5% (more usually 0.5%) of chemicals (including various persistent biocides, formaldehyde, benzene, antifreeze and many, many more. See fracfocus.org/chemical-use/what-chemicals-are-used for full list of those that have been used in the US)

Quick factlet:

Each well uses an average of 4 million gallons of water.
A projection of 6,700 well in Sussex gives an estimated water usage of 26.800 billion gallons of water. On average of 50% is irretrievable and left in the shale and 50% is retrieved and has to be be disposed of above ground. The 50% that is retrieved is called as radioactive toxic waste by the Environment Agency and is very difficult to treat and dispose of properly. Whatever happens, it will end up in our rivers and seas though. The 50% left in the shale is free to migrate over time (possibly a long time) to the aquifer and to the surface, using existing fault lines and decaying drill casements (all drill casements and capped wells are left in the ground after drilling is finished and the fracking companies have left, unmonitored, and all are likely to degrade over decades and centuries creating a direct route the the aquifer for the toxic fracking fluid).

Lack of regulation is also an issue. The Govt have left the industry mainly self-monitoring and self self-regulating. The Environment Agency are charged with some monitoring but they never turned up at Cuadrilla's ill-fated frac at Preese Hall, citing lack of resources. How they will be able to monitor the number of wells planned for the UK when they are about to have their staff cut by 15% is anyone's guess.

I could go on and on... but this will do for now. Before you decide that fracking is good it is incumbent on you to fully understand it. You'll only be able to do this with your own research. You'll not get a clear picture from conventional media sources. This week the oil industry started to roll out a huge, massively-funded PR campaign. You'll hear a lot about fracking in the next few months... and I'm afraid, although many won't realise it, it will be one-sided and extremely biased. The drip feed of articles to the press started last week. With the news pre-empting the release of the water report by Water UK.

I know this seem too Machiavellian for words but if you think you can trust our government to make the right choice on fracking for us you should be aware of the incredibly close ties the members of the government have with the industry. The web of financial interests between members of our cabinet, their relations, the fracking industry and those that bankroll is extremely tangled. See here for more info:

www.wdm.org.uk/carbon-capital/nexus

Sorry for the huge post, but fracking is bad and misunderstood on so many fronts it is hard to be brief. I've not event touched on the additional burden it will put on climate change (and it is additional!) and the effect it will have on the research into and development of renewables.

For me the upshot is that the legacy of fracking is not one I want to leave for my children. Far better that I insulate my house properly and use less gas and oil.

jxxx · 11/11/2013 11:13

We are being bulldozed by government spin and a multi billion dollar industry. There has not been lots of high volume "fracturing for years" in this country - it only began in the States in 1996 so they will reap what they have sowed in the years to come. It's been done once at Preece Hall in Lancs which incurred seismic activity that damaged the well casing. Cuadrilla didn't report it for 6 months (self regulation) because "they didn't think they had too". See letter below.

"Department of Energy & Climate Change"
"3 Whitehall Place"
"London"
"SW1A 2AW"
"www.gov.uk"
"Our ref: TO2013/15618/RL"
"20 August 2013"
"Dear Ms (xxxx)"
"Thank you for your further email dated 19 August, about fracking. I have been asked to"
"reply."
"Cuadrilla is the only operator in the UK to so far use high volume hydraulic fracturing – this"
"technique was used on the Preese Hall well in Lancashire in 2011. DECC has not at this stage received any applications from other operators to carry out hydraulic fracturing for shale gas onshore in the UK and therefore no such consents have been issued."
"I hope that this is helpful."
"Yours sincerely,"
"Ross Lewis"
"DECC Correspondence Unit"

jxxx · 11/11/2013 11:47

More government spin, energy experts and senior figures in the industry emphasise that even with a fair wind, no one would expect shale gas to make a significant contribution to our energy mix until the mid to late 2020s. and it will not lower prices this is a billion dollar industry trying to bulldoze government policy, so we will still be at the mercy of the big 6:

Last week giving evidence at the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee, Francis Egan of Cuadrilla, said shale gas would not bring costs dowm

The intervention from Lord Stern, a cross-bench peer and professor at the London School of Economics, is significant as the economist very rarely makes direct attacks on politicians.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/04/david-cameron-fracking-lord-stern

Ed Davey fracking won’t lower bills
www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fracking/10296274/Fracking-wont-lower-energy-bills-says-Davey.html

Professor Jim Watson www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fracking/10433041/David-Cameron-was-wrong-to-raise-publics-hopes-on-fracking-says-energy-expert.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/fracking-unlikely-to

jxxx · 11/11/2013 11:55

High volume hydraulic fracturing has not been going on for years - this is government and oil and gas industry spin trying desperately trying to soft sell the public. The only place in this country that has been high volume fractured is Preece Hall in Lancashire by Cuadrilla. I'm sure everyone's aware of the press coverage of the earthquakes ....the significance of these was that they damaged the well casing containing the fracking fluids - and Cuadrilla (self regulating) didn't report it for 6 months because they "didn't think they had too". Please see letter from DECC below:

Department of Energy & Climate Change
3 Whitehall Place
London
SW1A 2AW

www.gov.uk

Our ref: TO2013/15618/RL

20 August 2013

Dear Ms (xxxx)

Thank you for your further email dated 19 August, about fracking. I have been asked to reply.

Cuadrilla is the only operator in the UK to so far use high volume hydraulic fracturing – this technique was used on the Preese Hall well in Lancashire in 2011. DECC has not at this stage received any applications from other operators to carry out hydraulic fracturing for shale gas onshore in the UK and therefore no such consents have been issued.

I hope that this is helpful.

Yours sincerely,

Ross Lewis
DECC Correspondence Unit

flatpackhamster · 11/11/2013 13:26

Clearly the existence of this thread has been spread around by the mediaevalist opponents of energy generation. I see they've all turned up.

ShreddedHoops · 11/11/2013 13:33

This thread is Confused and more than a bit Hmm

I smell socks.

beccablum · 11/11/2013 13:39

You are being extremely naive if you think that fracking will bring down energy bills in this country. Lord Stern, the senior economist called this "baseless economics" and this has been repeated by the International Energy Agency to Deutsche Bank. Unlike America, all our gas is traded internationally which means the amounts we produce will have little impact on the overall market price. In the USA they don't export their gas as other markets are too far away so fracking has made some impact on market price. Any profits made here will simply not be passed on to consumers (as usual) but will remain with the fracking companies, who will have to frack huge areas to gain any significant return on their huge outlay. To believe otherwise is naive and dangerous. www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/04/david-cameron-fracking-lord-stern

funnyossity · 11/11/2013 13:45

Trivial but wouldn't "Parents against Fracking" be better?

(I'm being a bit Life of Brian, aren't I?)

TheWrench · 11/11/2013 14:19

Good morning Mums:

I wanted to jump in here just for a moment to address some of the pro-frack misinformation posted on this thread. I am a professor of philosophy, and I teach both philosophy of ecology and philosophy of science. I am also on the executive board for Shale Justice, and VERY active in the Pennsylvania movement as a research writer and a photo-documentarian to end fracking in the Commonwealth.

  1. Fracking does NOT necessarily happen five miles underground; these wells are on average a mile deep, absolutely CAN affect groundwater, and ARE massively hazardous with respect to the chemicals used in the processcarcinogens, surfactants, biocides. Moreoverand I cannot stess this too much--the issue are NOT only about the wells. The slickwater horizontal hydraulic fracturing process involves at LEAST these things well beyond the well:
  1. The number of wells on a pad, the necessity of a evaporation pit and/or truck to tanker out permanently polluted flowback "water."
  1. The number of trucks themselves and the damage they cause to roads and bridgesI have photographed these tanker trucks on ICY rural two lane highways passing school buses FULL of elementary children on their way to school less than a minute from a seven-drill padEXCO: Rt. 118, Lairdesville, PA.
  1. The compressor stationsemission of VOCs and other toxins causitively associated with Asthmaespecially childhood asthma.
  1. The Pipelines--ALL of which leak at least 6% of the time from the moment of installation, and ALL of which leak far more with virtually NO monitoring or inspection eventually.
  1. The serious and irreversible contribution to climate change: methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas, and while it may be true that it burns cleaner than coal, it LEAKS in massive quantities into the atmosphere long before that point--right from the well head. That we are bestowing THAT legacy on our children is criminal.

There are those who claim that it is possibleeven necessarythat we be willing to work with the industry. But this is fool-hardy at best. The industry is more than willing to use citizens as green-washing cover in the interest of presenting itself as community minded, conscientiousor what is particularly perverse"environmental." I caution wariness of any such claim. The natural gas industry's record speaks for itselfand it is NOT pretty. In fact, it's an ugly reminder of the history of coal-miningwith every bit of the excess, the omissions, and the plain lying.

I write a series on fracking (among other things) both for Raging Chicken Press, Shale Shock, and at my blog:

thewrenchphilosleft.blogspot.com/

You can find some of my photographs of bad welds on pipeline, poor erosion and sediment control, frack pads installation, compressor station construction, forest fragmentation, drilling mud spills, abandoned frack trash, truck traffic, and other associated atrocities of an industry whose greed is excelled only by their utter lack of conscience here:

www.flickr.com/photos/wendylynnelee/sets

Hope this is helpful.

Wendy Lynne Lee

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy · 11/11/2013 14:31

I agree that "Parents against Fracking" would be better, concern is not related to sex or gender.

flatpackhamster · 11/11/2013 15:24

What's super-funny is the way that tons of green groups have all sent their paid representatives in to this thread to spread their ecomentalist propaganda, all the while decrying the fearsome propaganda powers of the evil oil companies.

jxxx · 11/11/2013 15:35

"Please may I share with you our experience in Balcombe, this"
"summer. We have fought to be heard by the government, West"
"Sussex County Council, the Environment Agency, DECC and the Health and Safety Executive. We went to every planning meeting, we objected to planning, thousands have signed our petitions; we’ve lobbied the Environment Agency (9000 signatures on the Mining Waste Permit and 890 enquiries- the permit was passed within 72 hours of receiving the bulk of those questions and they were never answered.) the HSE, our MPs and our councillors. Our Parish Council held a ballot which said 82% of the village did not want fracking, a further door to door survey in the village, showed that 85% did and does NOT want Cuadrilla here; the industrialisation of our AONB and the unacceptable risks to the purity of our water, our air and soil. We, and many committed people have done everything humanly possible within the bounds of law to stop this industry despoiling our rural community and we have got nowhere and we have not been heard.
We are proud to call ourselves Balcombe residents AND
protestors and protectors of our land. The government and press have done everything they can to dehumanize and vilify mostly, very committed, well informed peaceful protesters and exclude any mention of anti fracking residents – only reporting 60 “pro” signatures about 30 households (there are over 700 households in the village).
The majority of the village supported the protest camp, and we
marched in our hundreds down there, donated food and hot showers. What else could we do? There has been nothing democratic about this whole process, there is no Social Licence for Cuadrilla to be in this village. In addition, I'm sure you know the government are trying to legislate to bypass all local planning.
And we need to protest because the government and West
Sussex County Council has done nothing to help us, and everything to facilitate Cuadrilla, as has an unnecessarily massive,
intimidating riot police force. Where is our apology from the government, from the council, for allowing this to disrupt our
village life for months in the first place, for allowing up to an extra 120 polluting trucks and tankers on our village road weekly? Where is our apology for allowing trucks in to the site past agreed"
deadlines? Where is our apology for providing incorrect information that an extension would be a full planning application and then it turns out to be a “minor amendment”? Where will the council officers be when the polluting flare is lit, hundreds of metres from the nearest residents-not independently monitoring it, or apologizing for changing the planning, to a "minor amendment” from the allowed one metre high, low level flaring screened trough, to a 45ft chimney stack? Where are the enforcement officers? We needed the council to enforce the constant breaches of planning by Cuadrilla, which were not enforced.
In what sort of organisation or structure of decision makers allows
an oil company to potentially risk our water supply, the road safety of primary school children but only takes action against allowing peaceful, lawful protest on the grounds of “safety” when all police presence left the day Cuadrilla did? In what sort of organisation does it take 5 weeks to release a report on excessive drilling noise, causing weeks of sleepless nights, and in the meantime forcing Balcombe residents to do their own monitoring to prove the breaches? The EA were present at a meeting on Saturday 7th September, when finally Cuadrilla’s independent accoustic’s expert asked for the drill to be shut down immediately, because it was at 51 decebels not 42. It was a massive difference, given that decibels are logarhythmic not linear. They spent the next 48 hours baffling the drill.
Cuadrilla’s press office the following day told The Telegraph"
dismissed it as “a bit over”, and was probably the noise from the protesters, the police and possibly the trains! And when we, residents called them they denied any such meeting had ever taken place, they lie. We can guarantee that the council haven’t penalized the company either for sound breaches, they sat on their hands and did nothing.
What sort of organisation allowed drilling to go ahead knowing
there was not enough time to complete the operations at the site, or without the correct planning for horizontal drilling? The council needs to provide answers and as yet our questions, letters, emails, phone calls are not being answered. They are our elected representatives they work for us, we pay them, not the gas and oil industry.
So you see, we really don’t "have a say" at all, there is no
democracy, quite the opposite. The Balcombe Parish Council in
the national press and TV, apologized profusely as the"
application never saw the light of day. Our MP, Francis Maud is not informed properly when we meet him, which is very rare, and
obviously has his sticky fingers clasped firmly to senior government
adviser Lord Brown, whom he appointed in 2010, who owns most of Cuadrilla, is a senior adviser to the government and was the president of the Royal Society of Engineers whose report is often quoted on the benefits of fracking.
With regard to ""stringent regulations"", “ the best regulation in the
"world”- once you investigate it, there appear to be very few. It’s all self regulation. Cuadrilla sent a weekly""catch up" fax to the authorities, the Health and Safety Executive didn’t even visit a major industrial site in 4 months! We residents in Balcombe, the FOE lawyers and our green MEP forced Cuadrilla to delay drilling for four weeks to get Mining Waste and Radioactive Permits, even though they had applied for the licence 3 years before- it wasn’t the EA that initiated them. The Radioactive Permit was only issued 2 days after Cuadrilla left the site. More concerning, we have had a gill stream go fluorescent green down its entire length, 75 yards
rom the well pad, a few weeks ago. It was reported early afternoon by numerous residents, and the EA only arrived at night to take samples, went to the wrong stream, so came back the following day at lunchtime...they think it’s probably a hoax…but “its all a bit of a mystery” for them. If this is an example of their
"emergency pollution incident plan"" God help us all if there's a toxic spill! They have been extremely vague about what that
green colour is exactly, or its source – it’s just not good enough.
They just did a “Meet the EA” evening in our village church and
admitted that they had visited the well pad, during the four month operation, a “handful” of times relying on Cuadrilla to
"mark their own “homework”. They admitted to me personally they were finding it “all a bit of a struggle” with Fernhurst and
"Wisborough Green about to kick off, they are desperately under resourced and are about to have 15% of their staff axed.
We have had brown water coming out of taps, dead bats in our
gardens, dead fish, our red kites left their nests and there was no dawn chorus when drilling took place. No consideration for the"
protected species, if it’s an exploratory drill you don’t need a"
proper environmental impact assessment. If it’s an AONB, it means nothing – and this is just the exploratory drill phase.
We, the residents, in the face of terrible manipulative opposition
are trying to inform people of our experiences, an estimated 58 million has been wiped off our house prices and we cannot get"
insurance for any mining related damage, we have to be
covered by the government. We have travelled and supported other communities. It s an exhausting process, a marathon against powerful government and press, we are not eco warriors just ordinary people desperate to protect our community, our already stressed countryside, and water, our air and soil from irreversible harm, and give whatever help we can to other communities. More frightening is that clever France and Germany have banned fracking, but their mining industries are now looking at the UK as a soft touch.
This is our side of the story, we are the people on the ground. With
statements opposing hydraulic fracturing from the government in
Scotland, on environmental grounds (not to mention Climate Change), the RSPB, The Woodland Trust, Sussex Wildlife Trust, the Angling Trust, The National Trust (please check on their website), and many northern groups, we cannot all be making this up! We the little people need all the help we can get in the face of this government policy, their own personal vested interests, and this young, greedy, unregulated industry.

truthteller01 · 11/11/2013 15:58

I can't believe the amount of pro-fracking rubbish being posted here,
quite obviously by those who are paid to do so. you stand out a mile guys!
If this link doesn't tell you IT'S BAD, then you must be either A) Stupid
or B) Paid to put out pro-spin on the vile evil fracking industry.

www.nationofchange.org/groundbreaking-report-calculates-damage-done-fracking-1380897256

SalisburyMummy · 11/11/2013 16:02

We are talking on mumsnet and not parentsnet are we not ;).

Not taking anything away from dads, but being a mother is a very special thing and I think its important for women to have a group to go to that is led by and driven by women. That's just my humble opinion.

Please feel free to start Parents against fracking though!!

OP posts:
Scheriously · 11/11/2013 16:17

YouTube 'The Fracking Song', pretty simple explanation.

funnyossity · 11/11/2013 16:26

I don't think I will thanks SalisburyMummy. I'd rather acquaint myself with the facts and look at economic arguments too.

I don't think being a particular gender has any relevance. Are you aiming for a Greenham Common vibe?

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy · 11/11/2013 16:45

Yes, but mumsnet is not a movement, it's an online forum which does not push to have people identify with them and support them in order to use it. You can't really compare the two.

You are trying to get us to join your facebook group and wanting us to identify with a political movement and to support it so it's not unexpected that as a political movement others will try to get you to qualify who you want to identify with you. You have now made that clear here (and in your facebook group with the whole 'no force stronger than a mother's concern' starter) who you do want which is fair enough. I think an organization can be woman led and driven without specifically labeling it as such, but that obviously seems to be important to you and to who you want to target. I'm obviously just not one of them as a genderqueer parent who has had kin arrested and assaulted over fracking protests (and protests of the corporate and government infringements on sovereign lands in order to begin fracking on them), as I see little in what you've put up that really challenges the systems that allows and want this to happen. It's all a bit wet and doesn't seem to tackle the interrelated issues that fracking is just the latest in a long chain of injustice.

Marjor1e · 22/03/2015 00:13

Wind turbines don't pose a threat to the health and well being of communities. Read up on fracking.

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