'Number 10 link to paedophile ring'-Press association

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'There is "clear intelligence" suggesting a historic paedophile ring may be linked to Downing Street and a former prime minister, MPs have been told.

Labour MP Tom Watson alleged a member of a notorious group was connected to a former No 10 aide'

Am I the only one who thinks I may have been living my who;e life in a parallel (decent)universe.....
how much more sleaze is going to emerge......I'm shocked

I don't buy Sargeant's explanation of how it is difficult for many of us to undestand how the BBC works, with a timid management that gives free rein to brave reporters. They never reported on Savile's crimes until after he died and even then they didn't show it and had many of their stars recording tributes to him.

Gilligan, ex-BBC, gives a different view of how the BBC works to Sargeant.

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9633399/Whether-its-the-Hutton-Report-or-Jimmy-Savile-theBBC-is-hopeless-in-a-crisis.html

Sargeant says the top management are in the clear and he doesn't agree with Simpson's view that this is the BBC's biggest crisis in 50 years. I agree with Simpson. This crisis is not just about politics, but affects the public more since it takes the lid off a can of worms that can possibly undermine trust in the institutions that the public looks up to.

It all depends what questions are asked of the management and whether some newspapers ask tough questions and if it is shown that some people have not been telling the full facts.

I feel sorry for Entwhistle. He only took the job in September and in October it all came out. Some of his colleagues seem to be denying that they knew anything about it, having not asked any questions.

Ciag
He was head of vision. The department where it all. Ame from was t it.
As for Gilligan he has one huge axe to grind from the last debarcle

Oh, Claig- don't be silly. Entwhistle didn't spring to life fully formed as DG!

No need to apologise darkest. Everyone's trying to make sense of it. My view, and concentrating on the teenage girls now, is that even if anyone thought it was a crime rather than just something all men would do in that position, there'd be no chance of conviction.

It's hard to get rape convictions even these days. Juries are still willing to acquit to avoid 'ruining' a man's life over a 'misunderstanding'. Especially if the woman can be discredited in court

All these men had to say was they didn't ask for birth certificates. They're saying it now.

Not only would it be hard and costly for a news organisation to launch an investigation and almost inevitably lose a libel trial what readers would thank them for investigating such popular figures?

Also they'd have to ask themselves some very uncomfortable questions about how they treated female colleagues and females they met and wrote about in the course of their work.

Also don't feel sorry for enwistle or any of the other arrogant, lazy, greasy pole-climbing execs.

Really hope Mark Thompson loses his obscene new job at the equally-pompous and self-regarding New York Times.

How any of them would get promoted outside such complacent organisations is beyond me. Unfortunately there are a lot of safe berths for such idiots to go round.

This was about children. I think there wouldn't have been a jury in the land that wouldn't have convicted Savile, and his arrogance and in plain sight statements wouldn't have worked in his favour. Also if Savile went down, he would have taken many others with him.

Some of these publicly paid for executives seem to be very powerful and influential figures, according to magazines like Forbes - even appearing in the top 100 in the world. Beats me why, but such is life.

People don't believe women or children in court claig. Not once a defence barrister has finished with them.

To be fair on the prosecutors they have to ask whether its in the public interest to put a vulnerable witness though two week's of examination and have them end up looking a confused fantasist at best , or a vengeful liar at worst.

How many stories calling for rape complainants to be prosecuted have you read after committal have you read. I've read a lot and they have a lot of reader's support especially when accompanied by interviews with the 'ruined' man. Not to mention the cost to the hard pressed taxpayer.

Sorry I meant acquittal not committal or conviction.

This is not about adults, this is about children. How many cases of child sex abuse are dismissed when they end up in court?

The taxpayer already pays for the generous salaries of many publicly employed executives. Paying to sort out criminality, abuse and rotteness in some parts of our system and institutions is a vital expense that the public would willingly pay.

Children do not stand up well in court. People do not believe them. People also cover for men with 'unfortunate' weaknesses and try to manage abuse within their families and communities.

Families split horribly if someone wants to confront an abuser over their past or the inevitable abuse of a new child.

Honestly, how many prosecutions have you seen relative to the vast scale of the wrongdoing?

If there is a conspiracy it's not a grand thing done by shadowy establishment forces but something perpetuated every day by frightened, confused families who have been so manipulated by the people who are supposed to love them they don't know which way is up anymore.

Maybe you are right, I don't know.

But I think that the Savile case is different. This was openly done in dressing rooms on BBC premises, in caravans on BBC premises, and witnesses witnessed it and others facilitated him. Rumours were rife and comedians even made jokes about it openly. His links to important and powerful people and the fact that the rumours were persistently ignored suggest that this may involve more than just Savile.

limited there is such a powerful truth in what you say there. And I think part of the reason that this case feels like there is such a shift in the axis somewhere is that so many of the people who, as you say, just wouldn't be believed, or who would be ripped to shreds by a defence barrister, are finally being listened to and believed. That is such a massive step away from the 'norm' and I think in this case the one thing that the coverage has done is give so many the impetus to come forward, and give their truth in a safe and understanding environment - something many don't get. With the sheer weight of numbers, the corroboration that those stories give each other is what might just make a difference when it comes to actually taking charges forward for those who are still alive. And yet still, we have the dissenting voices of the likes of Clifford, already starting to chip away, discredit, excuse, cast doubt. It's just so fucking depressing. I hope that this case, this investigation does make a difference because if it doesn't when you have the weight of numbers corroborating each other, and still we can't achieve justice? That is just one fucked up depressing world to live in.

I hope so banana. Don't hold out a lot of hope when I hear the same old excuses but it could be different this time.

I just hope all the defenders of the Catholic Chirch are reconsidering their position in the light of the Savile affair too. But sadly I doubt it.

Exactly - as I said in my post earlier; when Saville said he would take half of the BBC down with him he was threatening people higher up - reminding them he had dirt on them. I personally think we will have to wait for a few more shadowy figures to pop their clogs before we get the full story and extent of who is involved.

ATourch, I think you are right. One day in the future it will all come out. We will probably all be dead by then, and future generations will be told that that is how it was in those times and that it doesn't happen now. Plus ca change ...

seeker, you are right about the Catholic Church. People must now be asking themselves how high this stuff really goes and in which institutions.

The Savile affair seems so unbelievable that people are now questioning everything they thought they knew. People think they have been living in a parallel universe. A member of the public commented on a Daily Mail Savile article, that it is a disgrace that the public is finding out what is going on from David Icke's forum and bloggers rather than from the main stream media.

The world has changed with twitter and blogs etc. Many of these things can no longer be hidden. Blogs and books have named people involved for years and years and have not been sued for libel.

So far as I can tell the Catholic Church in England has acted properly and promptly re.JS, asking the Vatican to strip JS of his papal honours.

All this talk of castration in the Netherlands is indefensible, disturbing, evil and sick but I can't see that, as an English Catholic, who was a child when it most of the abuse happened, English Catholics have anything to 'defend', frankly. I'm not Dutch.

Getting back to JS, I never even knew that he was Catholic. He certainly wasn't held up to any Catholics I knew as an exemplar we should follow. I just thought he was a creep and so did members of my family. If Jim'll Fix It came on the TV when I was a child my parents would groan and switch it off.

I think that even if JS had been arrested at the time, he would have done a deal, dropped a few big names like FS and GG who were not powerful, maybe a few BBC execs, wriggled out of a custodial sentence because he was keeping sctum about the guys who actually had power.....

Jimmy Savile 'banned' from Children In Need news.sky.com/story/1004247/savile-was-barred-from-children-in-need

Would explain why one of the bbc's biggest stars only appeared on it once.

fucking depressing

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225260/Russell-Joslin-Police-probing-death-BBC-reporter-killed-claiming-sex-harassment-high-profile-female-colleague.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

This poor man must have had his whole life undermined

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225260/Russell-Joslin-Police-probing-death-BBC-reporter-killed-claiming-sex-harassment-high-profile-female-colleague.html?ito=feeds-newsxml