Elvis was as bad as Jimmy Saville, Talent Vs Pedophillia Debate

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He had a total predilection for 13 year old girls but yet still revered...should his accomplishments transcend his reputation for pedophillia?
Discuss.

I think roman polanski is an interesting comparison. A lot of people turn a blind eye tO what he did because he is a 'genius'.

Ohdear- DD has started puberty. She is 11. I would kill any man that touched her. It is just not right, emotionally she is still a child and children are vulnerable. They need protecting from those who will do them harm, physically and emotionally. This definitely includes grown men who want to have intercourse with them.

Scorpion - I don't think anyone has suggested a 22 year old and a 13 year old marrying (like Jerry Lee Lewis) or a 25 year old and a 15 year old marrying (like John Peel) is ok. It's obviously not. But it is definitely not comparable to Jimmy Savile assaulting and raping women and girls, Gary Glitter having sex with 10 and 11 year olds, or Roman Polanski drugging and raping a 13 year old.

The Sun is reporting js having sex with anyone who can't defend themselves including the dead. I understand he has taken advantage of kids to old people, males or females, basically anyone vulnerable and dm is reporting his brother had form too.

Papers are linking a leader of Welwyn council to Broadmore, they tell us Ken Clark was in office a month when he organised js to run Broadmore.

Ted Heath was rumoured to have been part of the group of youghting men who gave holidays to children from the home in Jersey where human bones were found. The same home js claimed he had never been to, sued a paper and later photo's emerged of him there.

Whilst the JP, Elvis types are not right either they are in a different league.

It makes me feel quite sick that people think having sex with a 13 year old is somehow not paedophilia.
They clearly do not have 13 year old daughters.
They are not adults. It is not ok!
My daughter still plays with polly pockets. She's got loads of friends but despite being 5 foot 4 with breasts she is still a child.
That's how paedophiles and perverts justify their actions by saying she dressed to invite me, she had breasts.
Sick bastards!

I think you have a point about Elvis. I am a fan of his but have read a couple of biographies that didn't make comfortable reading on one or two things. Especially his wife moving into his house when she was 14. Why on earth did her parents allow that. But in the South of the USA I think the age of consent and the age you could be married was very young. Thirteen in some states I think.

As someone asked up thread

pedophilia - sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty varies).

Hebephilia 11?14 year old pubescents.

Ephebophilia 15?19

As the age of consent varies, does anyone know what it was in Elvis' case?

Loveweekend, no one, but no one is saying it is ok.

Ask Priscilla. See what she says about the man she loved and who loved her. To even mention his name in the same sentence as Savile is contemptible. And don't bother telling me you don't agree because I won't be looking at this sickening thread again.

Ds seems to be prone to these too!!! He's had them five times since starting school. Amazingly he had a case before summer hols so gave meds and took all precautions and he was clear throughout the 6 wk hols. I've been very strict on hand washing and bedding since he's gone back its very clear they came from school. The thing is there are 3 classes of 30 children in his year alone all mixing together!!! It started in reception I thought an itchy bottom meant he went wiping his bum properly!!!

um. i think you need the threadworms thread.

Did J S ever actually start or sustain a relationship with anyone? Did he just sexualy assault women and children?

To answer bkgirl's post upthread, I probably belong to her parents' generation, who "turned a blind eye" to what the paedophiles were up to.

People have only realised recently how abusers "groom" children in order to entice them into the abuse situation and to make it psychologically impossible for them to complain; they also groom the adults nearby so that they don't see what's happening.

We are realising now that JS had been using his popularity to "groom" the whole country. But I think he is just the tip of an iceberg, and in fact the whole patriarchal system has been grooming the entire world for thousands of years!

When I was born it was normal to think: "It's a boy!!! " or "It's a girl ".

There were some lucky exceptions, but in general girls were constantly put down and restricted, we had little or no sex education, in fact sex was not talked about, and as now, many of us suffered major or minor forms of sexual abuse.

Later, if there was domestic violence, the police wouldn't intervene,and there was no Women's Aid then.
When we married in the 60s, my husband acquired the legal right to rape me! (this was not changed till 1991). Contraception was hard to obtain, abortion nearly impossible.

With these kinds of experiences, few people would grow up bold and confident enough to challenge abusers. So please don't blame your parents, but instead ask yourselves: What are we doing to challenge pornography, Page 3, little girls' clothes with sexy slogans on them, etc.,etc.

Come on, girls, get campaigning!

IMO it's all very much a grey area and depends on the circumstances, depends on the maturity of child involved and adult involved, is the child vulnerable, is the adult vulnerable?
It times of Elvis and Priscilla we are talking about a different era a different generation and a different part of the world.
Young girls back then generally married at a younger age than young girls do now.
From what I hear Elvis and Priscilla had a loving mutual relationship, with I believe the blessing from her parents.
If for example the same situation occurred but her parents felt he was not the man for their daughter, he behaved in a completely abusive controlling way, years later they divorce and she tells the press she was bullied, abused and very afraid if him... That is obviously very wrong.
So it is a grey area.
As for Jimmy Savile. My opinion of him is that he is a true psychopath. He could not feel empathy for other people. He deliberately targeted young vulnerable boys and girls whether they were 9 or 19, whether or not they 'willingly' went along with it because they wanted to be on tv, or felt in awe of a big celebrity, was very very wrong.
He knew that young girls from Duncroft wouldn't be believed, that other children and teenagers who told their parents or police that his ego was so massive he got away with it.
If he was a 40 year old in this day and age doing the same at the BBC I doubt he would have got away with it. These days, children are thought of differently that in the 60's they now have a voice, police are not so sexist in that a wonan who complains of a sexual assault is taken seriously.
In 1980 in my area a young woman was raped and murdered. They have just charged a man for it with new evidence. However back in the late 70's women were reporting he was kidnapping them and raping them... One woman reported it to the police and the police laughed in her face. So this poor young lady ends up being killed because the police attitudes back then were horrendous.
... Things were different back then. If you think of today's standard 30 years ago there was probably more abuse of children than not. It just was either trivialised, ignored or accepted.
Thank god times have changed.

I suppose the rich and famous have always got awy with things. But they often get caught in the end. The tabloid press did a poor job on JS

Ariel we arent in the times of Henry 8th any more. Under age is illegal for a reason. Saying its OK now because it happened in the Tudor age won't wash. Its a bit like saying burning widows is Ok because it happened in the 16th century. No it aint ok. It wasnt really OK then and it definitely isnt OK now.