"The BBC is full of Liberals afraid to mock Islam" Roger Bolton.

[Childrenofthestones]

Roger Bolton confirms what Muslims, Christians and just about anyone with half an eye has known for a long time.

"Regarding the BBC Mr Bolton said it had got to a point where audiences thought it was ?fun? to mock Christianity but would not dare laugh at jokes about Islam"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...teran-BBC.html

Also, Four Lions was very funny and very popular with British Muslims especially, possibly to the detriment of non-Muslims not being able to get the jokes. Chris Morris had put a lot of time and research into it and it showed.

It's to the credit of Christians that they can take criticism. And Hindus, and Mormons & even Jews and Ba'Hai...

The Simpsons cartoon show doesn't dare mock Islam, either. They have very publicly stated that they wouldn't dare. They'll happily lampoon any other faith or creed, but none of them wants to deal with Muslim Fatwa or death threats.

I don't think that situation reflects well on Islam, the ready enthusiasm for violence as part of protest. Ayaan Hirsi Ali insists that a love of & tolerance for violence is a problem integral to Islam itself. I dread to think she may be right.

Friend of mine is Iranian and tells me their entire national sense of humour is based on mad Mullah jokes. Can't remember any of the ones she told me now, but they were bloody funny. Although less hilarious if you are banged up in a prison by the Iranian state facing death by stoning, I guess.

I am so cross about this. We in the "west" are constantly told that terrorists are only a small amount of extreme islamists and we are not to tar a whole religion with the same brush, and on a whole most sane people do this.

Yet a silly amaturish radical "christian" film is cause for protest and violence, burning of flags and hatred of all that is American or now it seems even their allies.

I see none of this injustice of outlook on the BBC or any news site why?

One correspondent explained that people in countries where the government controls the media do not understand that films like this rubbish can be made and released by individuals - they assume that the entire government of the US of A was behind it.

Anybody seen the south park episodes cartoon wars I & II? Makes the same point very nicely I thought

"I'm sure there's a bit in the Koran that says to you, your god and to me mine."

It's been a while since I've read the Quran but I seem to recall it saying that there is only one God and He is the deity who sent down Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Cote she is talking about surah kafiroon. What she says is there there "lakum liya dinukum wa liya deen"

Go to a muslim forum, you will see Muslims have no issue with criticizing and condemning each other.

I already posted how Muslims laugh at themselves.

Of course this is not seen in media as it doesn't fit agenda.

at times Islam reminds me of how it used to be here with Oliver Cromwell in charge in the 16th century. didn't he ban the theatre and having any fun on a Sunday - even going for a stroll could be an offense.

as period said, certain followers do seem to be a bit like the how the christian church was in Europe a long time ago.

also why are the complainers so afraid of their religion being scrutinised. As a christian, i think what would Jesus say if he was here now and how would he react. could they not think along the same lines.

i didn't see the programme on channel 4 but i remember a documentary on BBC where the female presenter was questioning the truth of the bible. she was irritating IHO but i noticed the BBC didn't worry about airing the show. what is the difference?

Channel 4 didn't worry about airing the show either did they?
I think some people have an issue with the research of the show and believe it was misleading and false information was provided, so they complained. So what?

Why does Islam remind you of Cromwell?

Orwellian Sat 15-Sep-12 08:06:22
Islam gets a free pass because all the liberal journalists are too afraid of criticising it, nothing more. I don't think they really, deep down respect Islam, they are just afraid of getting death threats etc. Why would a cult like Scientology get such a hard time (yes Scientology is a crazy, batshit cult) but how many people have died in the name of Scientology and how many have died in the name of Islam? Yet which gets more criticism? Easy targets are those which the liberal "intelligensia" know won't fight back. And Islamic ideology is the antithesis of what most left wing liberals claim to believe in - freedom of speech, freedom of religion, emancipation of women, freedom of sexuality, freedom to think differently etc.

I think Nick Cohen sums up the hypocrisy of "edgy" comedians and liberals in the media better than most in this clip of 11 February 2012 One Law for All Rally for Free Expression

The real cowards are not the ones who are frigtend to upset Islam, but the ones who then go on to deny there is a problem.

I am not sure how true this is, can't be bothered to confirm, but it's rather intriguing if true. I was talking to a California relative last night about the controversial video, & he said:

The guy who made it is an Egyptian Coptic Christian (an Arab himself). With his own extreme agenda, but it's one that comes from the insight of having lived in a Muslim society. Also, he has nasty criminal convictions (in California). Basically, he's a bit of an unpleasant loser. As if that wasn't obvious already. But one thing he isn't, really, is a Westerner with unfounded prejudices born out of pure ignorance, quite the contrary.

but wasn't it meant to be a series Nailak

Islam reminds me of Cromwell because some of it's followers are trying to censor things e.g. The Satanic verses or the Danish Cartoons. also the state intervening with the lives of individuals in a similar manner which western society wouldn't do any more.

am i right that some followers believe music shouldn't be listened to.

Haven't seen the video but it sounds like a pile of horseshit. Sheer rudeness and ignorance, the sort of bile spewed by Frankie Boyle about people with disabilities, is A Jolly Bad Thing. But I think we should tell idiots like Boyle that they are appalling, not silence them or threaten them.

Mockery on the other hand is a jolly important tool to cut pompous authority figures down to size. As I said, Iranians tell Mad Mullah jokes. Exaggerated deference to authority is extremely dangerous - it allows the fuckers to get away with stuff like the Hillsborough cover-up, or Watergate, or 1001 other examples.

Heads up.
Salman Rushdie appears on Start the Week Radio 4 talking to Andrew Marr about his life and the fatwa. Living under the name of Joseph Anton.
Joseph Anton is also the name of his new book which is book of the week.

As a side note I recently tried to find a copy of the satanic verses at my local library. No luck. So I asked the girl to check where the next copy was in the borough. Out of 13 libraries not one had a copy. This despite the small library I was stood in having 3 copies of Midnights Children. I was told that the nearest copy was in a University and they could request it if I wished.

So I wrote to the head of library services asking how this could be as it is his most famous novel. Was it a decision to not carry a copy in the local branches. I got a letter back saying that it wasn't a policy decision and they will be restocking copies to local libraries and they will email me when one is in. That was 6 months ago and still no news.
If it wasn't a decision not to carry the book I can only think that people who were upset by the book have removed them from the shelves.
Just as a matter of interest try asking for a copy next time you are in your local library.

Children, I'm a regular library user and I am going to do that. I would be very annoyed if I thought libraries were tacitly refusing to hold it. Only problem is, if they find me one I'll feel honour bound to read the damn thing!

do you seriously think scientology gets a harder time then Islam, every week I am on a thread here which is about Islam, can the same be said about scientology?

I agree mocking culture is fine. Some things are sacred to some people. However it seems not much is sacred in secularist societies, so how to we overcome this?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9546513/Iran-resurrects-Salman-Rushdie-threat.html

Iran has seized on widespread Muslim outrage over a film insulting the Prophet Mohammad to revive the death threat against Salman Rushdie, raising the reward for killing him by US$500,000 (£320,000).
Ayatollah Hassan Sanei, head of a powerful state foundation providing relief to the poor, said the film would never have been made if the order to execute Rushdie, issued by the late Iranian spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, had been carried out.

nailak said Sun 16-Sep-12 23:32:22

"do you seriously think Scientology gets a harder time then Islam, every week I am on a thread here which is about Islam, can the same be said about Scientology?"

Well maybe when Scientology starts putting contracts on people or leaving people with their throats slit and decapitated in the street you will think that they will start getting as much stick as Islam.

Nailak I like living in a secularist society where things are not sacred. I do think people should treat each other with respect but I suspect we're going to argue about what respect is.

I would say murdering somebody or paying somebody to do the murdering for you because they have hurt your feelings is not respecting them.

I could be wrong but I don't remember nailak condoning murder childrenofthestones.

That's quite an allegation to make.

I'm sure she doesn't need me to stand up for her.

But some of us need to stop spreading lies about people and the rest of us need to stop believing them, whether we're people of faith or not.

But come on, people, Iranian mullahs do not simply issue fatwas out of religious belief, and there is no saying that there is a proper basis in Islamic law for them when they do. In Iran, religion and politics have been entwined, and when people like Ayatollah Hassan Sanei act as the OP describes it is as much an act of savvy political calculation (let's distract from the woeful situation in our country with a good bit of foreigner hate) as a religious act. It is the same in many countries: repressive religion being the bread and circuses keeping the population distracted. I think there is a lot of agitprop going on, and as people are repressed fiercely in many areas, religious extremism as the only permitted group or political activity, becomes the rather twisted focus of many people. See the extremism in its proper context. It's not inevitable or inherent to Islam, because it is not universal across the Muslim world or in Muslim history.

quite, Eldritch.