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L'Oreal (nearly 50% Nestle owned) buy Body Shop

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chicaguapa · 17/03/2006 09:29

Another company to boycott. Frankly I'm astonished and appalled that Anita Roddick agreed to sell her self-built business based on her ethical stance on animal testing to a company that - not only is boycotted by the anti-Nestle brigade - but also definitely tests their products on animals! I think the £130m will have helped her moral dilemma and she should now give back her knighthood. Her ethical views were easily compromised!

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ladyoracle · 17/03/2006 14:58

Granted, Milupa's advertising is misleading and potentially harmful, but nothing like the deaths caused by Nestle.

Tinker · 17/03/2006 14:58

Oh, people just like boycotting things. I know I do. Smile

Gloworm · 17/03/2006 15:03

I could be wrong on this....but didnt body shop change their stance on animal testing years and years ago?
their products used to say "not tested on animals" and they quietly changed it to "against animal testing"....they use (I think) the 7-year rule....they can use products that were tested on animal 7 years ago....thats still animal testing in my opinion.

I could be wrong on this, it was in the early part of the 90's, does anyone remember??

SenoraPostrophe · 17/03/2006 15:03

but that's what I'm saying, ladyO. the campiagn you link to below won't be causing many deaths, if any. the nasty stuff has stopped.

Enid · 17/03/2006 15:04

heard this this morning

how scuzzy

did make me laugh though, battered old cynic that I am

SenoraPostrophe · 17/03/2006 15:05

gw - they did change their wording, yes, though i'm not sure what rule they use. i thought it was something to do with not being able to guarantee their supply chain was free of testing or something.

ladyoracle · 17/03/2006 15:10

If you aggressively market formula in a country where women cannot realistically afford to continue purchasing the stuff once the freebies run out, babies will die. It is still happening.

SenoraPostrophe · 17/03/2006 15:13

did you read that article, LO? It wasn't accusing them of aggressively marketing formula at all.

ladyoracle · 17/03/2006 15:16

Placing doctors in supermarkets is aggresive marketing in my book, new Mums are a vulnerable bunch, no matter where on the planet, and are easily swayed by 'medical advice' It isn't justifiable IMO.

SenoraPostrophe · 17/03/2006 15:17

yes, but the docs were pushing vitamin supplements, not formula. It's wrong, i agree, but simply not of the same order as the original crimes, and something that a hell of a lot of companies do.

ladyoracle · 17/03/2006 15:23

Agreed SP, we shouldn't really buy anything, someone is bound to have been screwed along the way Wink But Nestle are worth boycotting because they flout decency in so many areas of their business and cover so much up, It's not just the milk issue, it's the fair trade thing and the treatment of workers as well. To get back to the point of the OP, Nestle getting the Body Shop has to be wrong??

SenoraPostrophe · 17/03/2006 15:31

well, actually they say they are going to keep the ethos and grow the company. much as it's not perfect, the body shop having a bigger global market share is a good thing isn't it?

ladyoracle · 17/03/2006 15:43

As long as they stick to the original ideas, (if they still exist) It's a shame because TBS was groundbreaking and led by example in its fair trade ethic and really made it unacceptable for any company to be seen to be using animal testing for cosmetics. Note clever wording thereWink

SenoraPostrophe · 17/03/2006 15:44

yes, v clever.

chicaguapa · 17/03/2006 16:36

Did Anita Roddick get her knighthood for services against animal testing? Will she have to give it back now she's pretty much undone all that work by selling out?

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DominiConnor · 18/03/2006 08:46

Although she was "against" animal testing that was a pretty shameful marketing lie. Note they do not say "not tested on animals", because they are.

The official Body Shop policy is that their products have not been tested on animals recently. They constrain their ingredients to those already tested on animals.
But that's all pretty harmless, makes people who don't understand the need for animals testing feel a bit better about themselves, and sells lots of gear.
But on the other hand Nestle are of course scum, but they calculate that as long as they emit the lealy mouthed Roderick line about being "against" bad things and "for" good things they will sell loads of cosmetics to people who either don't know the reality or don't care.

Roddick is a master marketeer like Richard Branson or Steve Jobs. Lord Branson likes to style himself as a rebe, Steve Jobs as smart and creative and Roddick makes millions by expressing concern.

Gloworm · 18/03/2006 09:12

exactly DC, thats what I thought, I just wasnt sure if my memory was correct. Maybe this whole nestle debate will open peoples eyes to what the body shop are really like.

there are plenty of fantastic companies out there like Jason and Aubrey who really don't test on animals, and use good quality organic ingredients and leave out rubbish like sodium laureth sulphate etc

philippat · 18/03/2006 09:26

not sure what to think about this takeover (but then never bought body shop anyway)

BUT the whole basis of our democratic society is that it's easier to change things from the 'inside' so if AR can work her marketing magic on l'oreal, that can only be a good thing

batters · 18/03/2006 10:02

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Gillian76 · 18/03/2006 10:17

Makes me feel sick, and wonder if we're just being conned with all this fair trade stuff. Is it just another marketing gimmick? :( :( :(

DominiConnor · 18/03/2006 20:11

Fair trade is a small good thing. The BBC sees itself as the marketing arm of this movement, talking of "huge growth", but the sum total is a tiny %. Then again how many of us have created even a small number of schools in the 3rd world.

My gripe with FT is not to say that it's bad, but that it takes focus away from the really bad thing which is trade barriers. Free but "unfair" trade is in general better than the protection ladled out to European and American vested interests.

velcrobott · 18/03/2006 20:16

Why don't you like Steve Jobs? (curious)

trying2bgood · 19/03/2006 14:05

Agree chicaguapa, I think she is mistaken if she believes that l'oreal buying body shop means that they are suddenly going to become ethical or green in any shape or form! For them it is about getting into the 'growing' ethical market without actually doing anything! I have to say I seldom buy anything from Body shop but will def not now as don't want any of my money to go to l'oreal! i remember when I was about 11 signing a petition asking them to stop testing on animals and that was two decades ago! I tend to buy toiletries from organic sources or green people. Perhaps Anita knows that a lot of her customers will now no longer buy from bodyshop hence it will close down leading to massive losses for l'oreal!

DominiConnor · 19/03/2006 14:31

I didn't say I disliked anyone, though yes there was irony in "admiring" Roddick.
Stee Jobs rips off his customers, selling equipment that franlky does not work. Like fans of the Body Shop, many people (like the BBC) see anything he does as inherently good. Yet all the bad things done by (say) Microsoft were done first and harder by Apple, and he does stuff like kick booksellers firms off sites he controls merely for selling a book about him he doesn't like.
Jobs caused liest to be emitted in big ads that the BBC covered as "news" that certain new Apples were the fastest new desktops money could buy at at time when my Intel box was much faster and nearly a year old. Don't get me started on the Newton, or the iPod screen & batteries.
The digital rights management in iTunes is both monopolistic in a way that netiher IBM nor MS would ever be allowed to be, and means that when the next generation of equipment comes out, you will have to pay again (and again). Also it soaks up battery life on players.

Apple's labour relations are not exactly them as the good guys either.
Also I know dozens of people who have had personal interactions with him. To a man they think he's a scumbag.

On the other hand I sort of admire Lord Branson.
In an era when many CEOs think "managment" equals accountancy, and regard golf as more importantr than understanding what their staff actually do, Lord Branson is always popping up promoting his brand and working very hard for his shareholders.

There are a few aspects of his finances which cause your eyebrows to raise if you have the right training, but he's mostly harmless and does some good.

scienceteacher · 20/03/2006 04:26

The Body Shop's animal testing policy is based on a rolling five year rule - that they will not use a raw material tested on animals in the previous five years. Five years is pretty arbitrary (especially considering that a new formulation with a novel ingredient may have a 2 or 3 year development period anyway), and why does it have to be a rolling period? They are basically getting for free research data developed by larger companies, including L'Oreal. These large companies voluntarily put their animal data into the public domain in order to reduce animal testing.

Their finished products are not tested on animals, but then, nor are anyone else's.

The issue with marketing behind an anti-animal testing banner is that it implies your competitors are unethical. It also begs the question of how much safety testing do your products undergo, and is your attitude to safety in general lacksadaisical? What kind of safety testing have they done on their weird and wonderful ingredients brought back from Anita Roddicks trips to the rainforest?

If L'Oreal do continue with the Body Shop brand image, one thing that should improve is the quality of Body Shop products. By adopting L'Oreal's quality standards and benefitting from their raw material purchasing power, Body Shop products will be able to use purer raw materials with no base odours. Also, if L'Oreal decide they want to advertise Body Shop products on TV, then the products will have to do what they claim to do.

As to why L'Oreal bought Body Shop - there could be various reasons. They may have bought the brand in order to kill it, or they may have done it for the shops. It was a pretty inexpensive purchase for them and they had too much cash on their hands which needed to go somewhere. I doubt they would have bought it for the expertise, as they would not have really recognised much.

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