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Breivik judged sane

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LegoAcupuncture · 24/08/2012 10:48

And also gets 21 years Story on BBC

AIBU to think that 21 years is not nerly enough for the murder of 77 people, young people who did nothing wrong?

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Haemadoots · 24/08/2012 10:50

I was thinking the same thats not even a year for each person that he killed Sad

EdithWeston · 24/08/2012 10:51

It is the maximum permitted sentence in Norway, so YABU, he gas been punished to the fullest and severest extent possible in the place where he committed his crimes.

And if he is adjudged dangerous, he can be incarcerated for longer. That won't be decided until well into the future though.

LegoAcupuncture · 24/08/2012 10:51

*nearly

I know (from the stoy) that 21 years is the maximum they could give but it just doesn't seem enough.

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Empusa · 24/08/2012 10:52

Not sure, it does say minimum 21 years, I'm not sure if that means he may serve longer. I hope he does.

Empusa · 24/08/2012 10:53

Hmm.. or it did in the article I read earlier.. I don't think I imagined it

coffeeandwine · 24/08/2012 10:55

I'm pleased he wasn't found insane. At least he'll go to prison and I suspect will never see the light of day again.

BlackberryIce · 24/08/2012 10:59

Well the courts can only act with the laws constraints.... They can't just say 39,40,50 years. It's the maximum for premeditated murder

However, the law says he can only be released if he poses no risk after that time has passed..... Who is going to say 'he's fine, release him'?

OneOfMyTurnsComingOn · 24/08/2012 11:04

It says a minimum of 10 years on the BBC article. I hope he stays for the full term at least.

DuelingFanjo · 24/08/2012 11:07

I can understand why they have done it having read about why.

there's some stuff on wikipedia about how it works in Norway:

""In Scandinavia, insanity is not a defense; instead, it is the responsibility of the court system as such to consider whether the accused may have been psychotic or suffering from other severe mental defects when per...petrating the criminal act. This explains why, in Norway, the court considered the sanity of Anders Behring Breivik, even if he himself declared to be sane.

Rules differ between Scandinavian countries.

In Sweden, psychotic perpetrators are seen as accountable, but the sanction is to forensic mental care[25] .

In Denmark and Norway, psychotic perpetrators are declared guilty, but not punished. Instead of prison, they are sentenced to mandatory treatment. Still, important differences exist between Norway and Denmark.

In Norway, §44 of the penal code states specifically that "a person who at the time of the crime was insane or unconscious is not punished"[26] . The use of the word 'psychotic' is the reason why Anders Behring Breivik would automatically have been given a treatment order by the court, if the (very unusual) second psychiatric report had been in concordance with the first report."

And an interesting article here

LegoAcupuncture · 24/08/2012 11:46

I don't for one minute beieve he was insane during his actions, so I'm glad the court found him sane.

I do hope he remains in prison for the rest of his life.

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MrJudgeyPants · 24/08/2012 11:56

Wow, working out the maths it comes to just 100 days per victim assuming he serves the full 21 years.

threesocksmorgan · 24/08/2012 12:02

21 years what a joke.
am shocked, that is so short

lambethlil · 24/08/2012 12:16

It's a conundrum. Brevik himself didn't want to be declared insane. He can now see himself as martyr. The Norwegian public also wanted to see him found sane, so that's some comfort. It will be interesting to see how long he does serve and whether he can be rehabilitated and believed to be so.

ajandjjmum · 24/08/2012 12:18

I wonder if the Norwegian public will be wanting to see a change in the maximum sentence figure - this seems so inadequate for the wickedness of his actions.

LineRunner · 24/08/2012 12:19

I watched it live and the judge said 21 years, to serve a minimum of 10 years to include time already served.

AllPastYears · 24/08/2012 12:41

Minimum 10 years... Confused And yes, I know the law says 21 years max, but again Confused

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 24/08/2012 12:44

He'll never get out. The tariff is irrelevent, really. There is no way he'll ever be found to be rehabilitated.

WildWorld2004 · 24/08/2012 12:49

I think it would be wrong to declare him insane when hes clearly not. He murdered all those people and knew exactly what he was doing.

To me that would feel like a brush off and a slap in the face.

milk · 24/08/2012 12:50

21 years is not justice :(

hackmum · 24/08/2012 12:56

Well, define sanity, I suppose. Killing 77 people for no reason seems insane to me.

Breivik is probably a psychopath and psychopathy isn't considered a mental illness because it's permanent, not temporary, ie it can't be cured. On that basis, I don't suppose they ever will release him. As Blackberry says, "However, the law says he can only be released if he poses no risk after that time has passed..... Who is going to say 'he's fine, release him'?"

LineRunner · 24/08/2012 12:56

Indeed. I think he's sane. He was sane enough to drop his weapons and surrender as soon as armed police (finally) turned up on the scene.

LineRunner · 24/08/2012 12:57

... which is my view makes those ideological, calculated murders and that makes him a very dangerous man.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 24/08/2012 13:02

Being declared sane means he will stay in prison for life, imo. If he'd been declared insane, there was the prospect of a 'cure'. I think they've made sure that he'll never be freed.

giveitago · 24/08/2012 13:11

Judged sane - bye bye you horrendous murderer.

AMumInScotland · 24/08/2012 13:12

I think it's more important to focus on what will actually happen, rather than the wording of the sentence. Countries vary in what they set as minimum (first chance to even consider parole) and maximum sentences, but what is important is that their legal system will ensure that he is not released, and the report makes it clear that so long as he is considered dangerous, he's not getting out. That's the important thing - they could make the sentence "200 years" and it wouldn't keep him in any longer.