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Why you shouldn't support legislation blocking internet porn

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Andrewjh · 07/05/2012 00:21

Ed Vaizey and Claire Perry and a number of other politicians are trying to force ISPs to block adult content under the pretence of "think of the children", however this will have the opposite effect and could lead to children being exposed to far greater problems.

  • Children these days are very tech savvy, especially with regard to the internet. And they need to be - the UK is the largest internet economy in the world. To succeed in the UK in the future, you'll need to know your way around a computer and around the internet from an early age.

  • What happens when ISPs block sites is something called the Streisand Effect. Basically by banning it, they generate a huge amount of publicity and support for the sites. The Pirate Bay site last week got blocked in the UK, and it received traffic increases of 12 million users downloading millions of pounds worth of software, music, films and games. Blocking something increases its internet traffic, its exposure, and suddenly 30 times more people know about it than did before.

  • What also happens when you block these sites is a huge amount of internet users figure out free and easy ways around the blocks. ISP's don't have the resources to stop this, and in most cases, it is impossible for them to do so. anyway. The Pirate Bay blocks can be got around within 20 seconds, and that is just googling "how do I get around pirate bay blocks".

  • Many of the methods employed by users to get around the Pirate Bay blocks so they can illegally download files will also be posted as guides to get around porn blocks. These are accessible through any search engine (google, bing, yahoo).

  • The problem is that tech savvy children (it only takes one to find out how from the internet or an older brother, then tell his friends, who tell their friends etc) can easily find out how to get around it. I mean it is as easily as it is to look up something for their homework, if not easier.

  • The other more dangerous issue is that whilst once they've gone through those guides, they can easily find links to far darker sites which host horrific viruses, hackers, as well as references to drugs, drink and other adult content. They can also find links to anonymous chatrooms where they could meet anyone without you knowing.

  • This is the danger that opt in and blocking poses. They will give you a sense of security when there is none.

  • This is also based on the assumption that the block actually blocks all porn. They rarely ever do, and sites posing as sex education sites which don't get blocked get through with adult content. So you'll be under the illusion that the internet is safely blocked when it isn't.

Think of it like this. Imagine the internet is a cliff, and we are having a picnic at the top of the cliff. It's a mostly beautiful view, but if you let your guard down, you could fall off. You wouldn't let your child play near the edge. Installing the opt in system is like putting a strong looking but flimsy fence in place. You could be fooled in to thinking it was safe but left to their own devices your child, could easily fall through. We can't put a brick wall there otherwise it spoils the natural beauty of the view (the educational benefits of the internet).

So what to do? Firstly don't support legislation calling for blocks. It doesn't work, its been shown not to work in the past as well as more recently. Children can easily find a way around it, and in doing so find a far darker side of the internet.

Secondly: If you are concerned, use censoring software on your computer, but don't be content with just that. Use Browser tracking software like this - www.any-activity-monitor.com/free-browser-history-recorder.html so you can accurate tell what your child has been viewing, even if they delete it off the browser. There are also many simple, free and easy tutorials written online on how to better protect your computer and your child.

Thirdly: Take some time to talk to your child about internet use. It can be an amazing tool but it can be dangerous. They need to know that right and wrong, safe and risky, they all still apply online (something easy to forget I assure you). They'll avoid things if they know its wrong. They will be curious about things if its only blocked.

Lastly, don't be fooled by people using the "think of the children" line. It's an alarmist appeal to emotion. There is very little danger so long as you use your common sense and only allow a child a sensible amount of time on the internet. As a politics student, I have to question whether this has been saved up till now to gain support for the government after an miserable turn in recent polls.

Thanks very much for reading, I hope you'll consider your position.

OP posts:
amillionyears · 12/05/2012 15:54

But what is law then?It is imposing a lot more than views on others.

MarieFromStMoritz · 12/05/2012 16:02

I am sick of this attitude that it is the parents' problem. I always supervise my DS whilst he is on the computer, but, for instance, he was playing Friv on the computer next to me whilst I whilst doing some paperwork earlier. I needed to use the bathroom a couple of times, so what am I supposed to do? Take him with me? Take the whole computer with me? Turn the electricity off?

It is impossible to supervise every single second of a child's internet access, especially as they get older. Older kids often use the internet for their homework. How are parents meant to, say, cook dinner if they are supervising every second of their older child's homework? If they turn their backs for 5 seconds the child could be looking at porn with a few simple clicks of the mouse.

Also, how do parents know that what they are doing is effective? No, we need internet content to be filtered before it gets to the home. Sure, we can impose our own controls, but I don't believe that is enough.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/05/2012 16:03

I'm sure Xenia (and I) would argue that some laws are wrong.

However laws are generally imposed when the majority think it would be for the greater good.

This thread shows that the majority do not think that filtering is for the greater good, so it should not become law.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/05/2012 16:06

Marie:

If your child wants to look at porn they will ISP filter or no ISP filter.

If they don't they are very unlikely to stumble across accidentally.

MarieFromStMoritz · 12/05/2012 16:07

ItsAllGoingToBeFine, that is arrant nonsense.

MarieFromStMoritz · 12/05/2012 16:09

... and wrt your last post, internet porn is banned here. It would be extremely difficult (if not impossible) for my DS to view porn on my computer. The more safeguards you put in place, the harder it is. That is what we need to aim for.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/05/2012 16:10

In what way?

Starwisher · 12/05/2012 16:10

MarieFromStMoritz I couldn't agree with you more! My dc's are only little so I do not to worry too much yet, but I know full what teenagers get up to. Funny that, having been one myself.

The naivety on this thread is amazing. If only we use some special software and sit on guard with them the whole time everything will be ok.

How long ago was it some of you were young? Surely you cannot have forgotten already what older kids/ teenagers get up to. Trust me, if you think you atcually know and can control everything your kids do then that is truly naive.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/05/2012 16:11

Marie: and that moves towards Xenias argument again. The other reason trying to filter the internet is a bad idea is that I do not want to live in a regime like the UEA.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/05/2012 16:13

Starwisher: and what on earth makes you think the government can put into place something that is more secure than your own filtering software?! In reality, your own software is likely to be far more effective.

amillionyears · 12/05/2012 16:16

ItsAll, this thread shows..the majority on this thread..
There will be many in the country who disagree, probably the majority of this country disagree,though obviously they wont have posted on here. so it should become law.
MN says that they get 30,000 posts a day.That means, if say everyone posts 5 times a day, there are about 6,000 posters on MN.Hardly a majority of the country!!!

Starwisher · 12/05/2012 16:17

Software doesnt solve all the problems. I fully expect our children will grwo become just as, if not more internet savvy then a majority of us anyway.I cant stop my dc been shown graphic things on other children mobiles/ latops. tablets etc either

How about children who live in households with no software?

Starwisher · 12/05/2012 16:19

amillion you are right.

I find MN rarely represents popular view, more likely the alternative or extreme views.

You really cannot go by what a handful of Mumnetters post!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/05/2012 16:23

No software doesn't solve all the problems. You are completely correct. This is why ISPs using filtering software wouldn't solve any problems.

NovackNGood · 12/05/2012 16:26

I am surprised that someone is pro censoring the internet supposedly t protect the children and yet upholds and supports the human rights abuses of the UAE, lives and works there furthering their economy. Life is wonderful inside the gated communities and the grand malls. It kind of reminds me of the Film Boy in the Striped Pyjamas.

Starwisher · 12/05/2012 16:29

Novack your posts are very odd.

Are you talking to me or someone else? Your creeping me out about because your obviously referring to someone specific on here

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/05/2012 16:31

She talking to Mariefromstmoritz who lives in UAE.

Xenia · 12/05/2012 16:34

We hvae a duty as mothers to ensure our children grow up in a free society. The last thing we should be supporting is internet censorship.

exoticfruits · 12/05/2012 16:35

I want mine to grow up in a free society without access to porn.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/05/2012 16:36

Exoticfruits: that's never going to happen. Sorry.

amillionyears · 12/05/2012 16:36

free from the state?
you write law books upholding the laws of the state.
free from danger?
porn can corrupt the mind.Presumably your are ok about your kids viewing porn.

amillionyears · 12/05/2012 16:37

my last post was to Xenia
she wont answer me.

Starwisher · 12/05/2012 16:39

No Xenia my duty as a mother is to protect my child and my wish is to protect other peoples children.

exoticfruits · 12/05/2012 16:40

I haven't read quite up to date but I seemed to establish some time ago that if all computers were sold with child filters on as the default position it would help.

exoticfruits · 12/05/2012 16:40

I agree with starwisher,I want to protect all DCs not just my own.