What family support/intervention etc would have stopped the riots?

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Just listening to Radio 5 Live and the results from the nquiry into last summer's riots has said that families need more support etc.

I've not so far heard what support is actually being suggested or indeed if its actually wanted.

Many people would be furious at the offer of Social Services family support - either refuising it as not required or being petrified of "my children being taken away" (which I know is not what happens)...

But what TYPE of support do these families actually need/would they accept.

And is "support" in this context just another wya of writing "money"

Yes. They don't need support. They need the rich to stop getting richer on the backs of the poor.

They need to be told they matter instead their burden.

Support is not what they need. They need hope. The Tories have taken it all away.

Best support would probably be a bus-ticket out of the area. Even the most capable parents with the best intentions can lose out to peer pressure. If kids grow up and the succesful, admirable people around them are robbing a few cars, turning tricks or dealing drugs, parents will struggle to reinforce better values.

A time machine to go back 20 years ago when their families didn't get the support they needed then?

Younger people played a relatively small part in the riots...most of them were adults.

The man who set fire to the furniture shop in Croydon was 30yrs old.

as worra said it wasnt all deprived children/young adults Rioting jeez 1 was a lawyer another an actor . the support the government is talking about is to late IMo , parents raising children to belive material wealth is the B all , parents allowing children to be out parents loosing control of children result in angry adults with no boundries imo , these people were not protesting about anything they were looting and setting fire to buildings homes and Businesses , the Riots Imo was about greed , initialy it was a protest about a man being shot a known criminal not the saint that was made out ,

What support do they need? Riot shields? Packed lunches. And many more of us to join them
I commend them-only way to get the governments attention. If we all joined them, then we might affect some change

The government can't actually believe that the rioters were all poor deprived children from broken homes? What utter shit

You commend them? Really? Oh dear I think I need to hide this thread.

I think the government want the public to believeve it was all children/teens for housing estates and deprived areas , to maybe deamonise the youth of today

Hide thread/ cat bum face all you like

Riots are important. Always have been

Controversial perhaps, but how many parents knew their children were at it, and fundamentally, how many cared?

Having been in Manchester on the day, it was amazing that from late morning, gangs were amassing with intent. Very premeditated, very scary and hugely unnecessary violence. The shooting in London was merely an excuse to cause trouble and profiteer from mass civil unrest IMHO.

I feel for the independent business owners who fell victim as their livelihoods were located in the wrong places and the people who probably list their income as the businesses went under.

Leading up to the riots I coincidentally was involved in youth work in some of the areas some of 'my' kids rioted.

Worra is right, the kids rioted because the adults rioted. There were more 'young' people in their 20s and 30s than kids. This is the real tragedy. These are the people the system is STILL ignoring by focussing on the kids...

I don't know, I do wonder what went wrong for so many twtting bstards to be out in force (I don't mean the police)

My mother would say it's all about early childhood. You do see kids being treated like absolute shite round here, and it's no wonder they grow up to be angry and feckless because their folks clearly don't have a fucking clue and can't stand them right from the start.

I don't know what the answer to that is.

'What support do they need? Riot shields? Packed lunches. And many more of us to join them
I commend them-only way to get the governments attention. If we all joined them, then we might affect some change'

So sorry but I do think that's bollocks. Unless you can clarify what sort of change would be effected by lots more violencve and arson? Yes?

The right to protest is important. I support that.

I do not support violence and destruction that harms innocent citizens regardless of the cause.

if its a political riot, you dont come home with a new pair of trainers. this was just people being able to get some free stuff.

also i can imagine it was really exciting.

better police strategey would have helped.

I think it's more about the death of community personally. WHen I grew up, there was support in the shape of close knit community centres...not actually community centres but chapel, church, guides, boys clubs, union clubs and labour clubs....the women institute played a big part too as did the social clubs which my parents were members of.

People went to school close to home, they attended chapel or church and if not then they went to guides and other clubs....there were a lot of events organised which the commuity came together in...people took part more.

Now families are isolated...people have grown selfish and expect everything to be done for them for free. I want this and I want that...yes..but what can you GIVE???

I am ALL for public protest...ALL for the voice of the people getting heard but the sad bastards who went out there looting, should all be made t work for free for as long as it takes to pay for the damage.

Riots are important. Brilliant.

London's street gangs stop twatting each other based on postcode for a couple of days and join forces to trash the corner shop. Solidarity of the oppressed, yeah!

You know, I'm finding it slightly weird that gang culture is destroying the lives of many (mainly Black) families in places like London - it's an unfolding tragedy - yet it isn't grabbing the headlines in the way the riots have.

I'm sure the two are linked ...

I would like people to get really moved by the destruction of children caused by gang violence, rather than intermittently concerned when there is another headline tragedy.

Broadly speaking, I pretty much agree with Tee2072. But who knows? Where is the in-depth analysis? This report isn;t it (either into gang culture or the riots).

As to the crap about fining schools ... I'm speechless about that one. Just how is that supposed to be a helpful, supportive measure? The only good thing about that suggestion is that there isn't any way it'll be implemented - except as propaganda to blame schools for what is really a problem they are not (currently) equipped to deal with.

Gang culture is also related to overcrowded housing. A vicar in Hackney knew severagl parishioners livuing 2 parents + 2 teenagers in a 1 bed flat - parents slept in lounge on sofabed so kids spend a lot of time out on streets. Nowhere else to go.

Oh, and anyone who thinks it was a political protest - here's one of the BBM messages that circulated during the riots:

"Everyone from all sides of London meet up at the heart of London (central) OXFORD CIRCUS!!, Bare SHOPS are gonna get smashed up so come get some (free stuff!!!) fuck the feds we will send them back with OUR riot! >:O
Dead the ends and colour war for now so
if you see a brother? SALUT!
if you see a fed? SHOOT!
We need more MAN then feds so Everyone run wild, all of london and others are invited! Pure terror and havoc & Free stuff?.just smash shop windows and cart out da stuff u want! Oxford Circus!!!!! 9pm, we don't need pussyhole feds to run the streets and put our brothers in jail so tool up,
its a free world so have fun running wild shopping;)
Oxford Circus 9pm if u see a fed stopping a brother JUMP IN!!! EVERYONE JUMP IN niggers will be lurking about, all blacked out we strike at 9:15pm-9:30pm, make sure ur there see you there. REMEMBA DA LOCATION!!! OXFORD CIRCUS!!!
MUST REBROADCAST TO ALL CONTACTS!!!"

Tahrir Square had placards reading 'A nation without dignity is a nation without life'. The contrast is shameful.

They don't need support, they need fear of the consequences. There are no good excuses for what happened with the riots, we should stop trying to make excuses for people who have their own minds and should know better.

OThe - thats a really good post.

DP works in inner city schools:
youth culture does not leave young people fit for work. it is not cool to work hard, do your best, etc.
a lot of parents dont seem to feel responsible for their own children & are in a state of denial about how they have brought them up.