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Surgeons resign from Barts and the London

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Alargeglassofred · 01/12/2011 21:47

Not sure how to link... Disturbing news piece on BBC news regarding mass resignation from the above trust due to poor standards of care and equipment not available etc etc, a new Stafford???

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DazzleII · 01/12/2011 22:59

Yes, I reckon anyone who's had dealings with hospitals knows that it's going on.

Let alone people who work in them.

But up to now, nothing's been done about it.

acumenin · 01/12/2011 23:05

/me nods to Dazzle. Yeah, it is really heartening to see somebody speaking out.

DazzleII · 01/12/2011 23:24

More in The Guardian

Let's hope some other consultants feel empowered by this.

The more who do it, the more will be able to.

TheFarSide · 01/12/2011 23:31

I am THRILLED that these doctors were principled enough to take a stand. There are far too many people in the public sector who only think of their own careers and are too cowardly to speak up when something is wrong.

DazzleII · 01/12/2011 23:32

I think maybe the tide is turning...

catsareevil · 01/12/2011 23:35

I think that the tide may be turning. It is about time that the basics of good patient care were given a high priority. I think that it is brilliant that these doctors are doing this and not settling for an unacceptable standard of care.

VivaLeBeaver · 01/12/2011 23:49

If it's that bad then the CQC need to look at shutting the hospital down. A local hospital to me is on a final warning from the CQC and have been told they may be shut down for more minor stuff than this.

catsareevil · 01/12/2011 23:53

The CQC have been criticised in the past for failing to act eg Winterbourne view.

mycatsaysach · 01/12/2011 23:58

good for them about time.something needs to be done.

Beaaware · 02/12/2011 11:28

No doubt these surgeons are also aware of vCJD and the risks posed to patients in our hospitals, another grey area of the NHS.

kreechergotstuckupthechimney · 02/12/2011 13:09

Banging the old vCJD druma again Beaaware?
I am glad that the doctors have stood up to be counted. I am friends with a doctor who worked on the air ambulance. I know he raised concerns about standards at the Royal London, this was at least 8 years ago.

EdithWeston · 02/12/2011 13:19

8 years!!!!! Shock

hester · 02/12/2011 13:24

I used to work with those doctors at that hospital Sad

It's a different situation from Stafford, but still serious. It is one of the major trauma centres in London, and was pioneering different ways of working to improve outcomes in serious complex trauma.

DazzleII · 02/12/2011 14:13

They need to pioneer different ways of improving outcomes in serious complex mismanagement. And maybe they are - pioneering whistle-blowing in the NHS, hopefully.

Beaaware · 02/12/2011 17:19

I am glad that the doctors have stood up to be counted, patients health should be of paramount importance when in hospital, but as others have said on different threads patients are now being asked if they have ever been told if they are at risk of vCJD before an operation, if they have then the surgical instruments used in their operations have to be thrown away, what a terrible waste of tax payers money and yet another admission that yes vCJD can be spread within our hospitals.

DazzleII · 02/12/2011 17:48

Surely it's best if the instruments are thrown away, though?

How do you know if you're at risk of vCJD? Eating too many pies?

catsareevil · 02/12/2011 18:55

Is there no story that cant be twisted into a vCJD scare story? Xmas Confused

DazzleII · 02/12/2011 19:02

I think it all shows that it's best to keep out of hospitals if at all possible.

wideawakenurse · 02/12/2011 22:16

Me too hester.

Makes me very sad, I trained at The London and spent 11 years working there.

DazzleII · 02/12/2011 22:23

So what happened there to make it all go bad?

wideawakenurse · 02/12/2011 22:30

Not sure Dazzle, although maybe I'm looking back through rose tinted specs.

There are so many problems in the NHS. I think some of the key ones are: the pace of change, ever changing and almost impossible target setting, a raised patient expectation but without an increase in resources to match this...this list goes on.

DazzleII · 02/12/2011 22:32

But how is it that medics have been accepting crap standards?

wideawakenurse · 02/12/2011 22:46

Well, sometimes I think things just come to a breaking point, which maybe happened here.

I suspect in a lot of situations, most staff are going above and beyond the call of duty which is what is keeping things afloat. But that approach is not sustainable and I think that when staff cannot give 150% anymore the cracks begin to show.

DazzleII · 02/12/2011 23:23

What do you think should be done about raised patient expectations?

It seems to be the main thing that bugs GPs and surgery staff.

wideawakenurse · 02/12/2011 23:25

Actually I think that 90% of the time, what the patients are expecting is pretty reasonable. The problem is that resources do not match the expectation.

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