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Cameron's hiring a special adviser to tell him which policies might not be great for women...

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edam · 15/11/2011 13:53

it's obviously too tricky for all those men around the cabinet table to think about the impact of their policies on 51% of the population...

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caramelwaffle · 17/11/2011 09:59

"These people..."

women

...don't live in the real world and god help us if they were ever taken seriously."

woollyideas · 17/11/2011 15:17

Pants - Just out of interest, do you think the government has any 'genuinely innovative ideas?' Do you think Cameron lives in 'the real world'?

Just wondering...

MrPants · 17/11/2011 15:21

HeresTheThingBooyhoo I was refering to an expert on governmental policies, not an expert woman - I'd have thought that was obvious but I admit my syntax got a bit garbled!

caramelwaffle "These people [who read the Daily Mail and are preaching voodoo economics] don't live in the real world and god help us if they were ever taken seriously.

Would now be a bad time to say "Calm down dears...", or is it a bit soon?

woollyideas · 17/11/2011 15:29

That last comment just makes you sound like a tosser irrational, Pants.

MrPants · 17/11/2011 18:36

woollyideas I don't mind being called a tosser really - my last comment was a stab at satire by quoting Cameron on something he said which upset Labour MP Angela Eagle with his comment's implied sexism. As there has been a suggestion of sexism in Cameron having to employ a female SpAd I thought I may of at least raised a smile. It appears that I have failed - note to self, don't give up the day job!

On your earlier point, do I think that this government has any innovative ideas? In a word, No. There is no strategic vision to drive the country forward - the cuts aren't deep enough to fix the economy but too deep to pass unnoticed, taxation remains too high on both individuals and on businesses, the Euro zone crisis threatens to floor our economy, there is still too much bureaucracy and red tape stifling our businesses and the Lib Dems have too big a hold over the Tories meaning that the likes of Huhne the Loon are systematically wrecking our industries and pilling hundreds of pounds on our energy bills with unworkable and crackpot policies. The Tories are miles away from a credible solution to our problems. Their only saving grace, as far as I can see, is that, as hopeless as they are, they are still better than the alternatives.

As for whether Cameron lives in the 'real world', I have no idea. I suspect that he's a decent bloke who means well but is out of his depth. I wouldn't criticise him for his background and well heeled upbringing, but I would question his experience to lead. The fact that he's never really had a job outside of politics makes me slightly nervous.

KalSkirata · 17/11/2011 18:40

how about 50% of the cabinet being women to represent 50% of the population....

MrPants · 17/11/2011 19:38

KalSkirata Why don't they just pick the whole cabinet based on their abilities and experience regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, disabilities etc?

Of a total of 650 MP's there are only 144 women MP's across all parties. I agree something should be done to encourage more women to stand for parliament; the problem is that I'm not sure what. Fewer women put themselves forward for selection as candidates; therefore, fewer get elected as MP's.

Excluding the Prime Minister, there are 22 cabinet posts. If you set a mandatory rule whereby 11 have to be female that means that (ignoring party divides) a woman has a 1 in 13 chance of making a cabinet post compared to a 1 in 46 chance for a man. It stands to reason that, faced with mathematical odds like that, the competition for a male cabinet role would be significantly greater than for a woman. I cannot possibly see how you could guarantee that any cabinet would be the best available talent for the job in hand.

That isn't to say that there haven't been any decent female cabinet members over the years. Maggie Thatcher and Mo Mowlam were head and shoulders above their contemporaries and, had she lived longer, Dr. Mowlam may well have led the Labour party.

However, an appointment by numbers system would have meant permanent jobs for the likes of Edwina Currie, Estelle Morris, Hazel Blears & Caroline Flint, and sorry, but they just weren't up to the job.

SardineQueen · 17/11/2011 19:52

I also wonder if he is so interested in this issue, why he doesn't take a look at the work various organisations have done showing exactly why policies are having a negative impact on women. He could also read some of the reams of commentary on this subject from various newspapers, websites, blogs etc etc

The labour party have mentioned this in parliament plenty and fawcett are (I think) going to court because the govt did not carry out an equalities assessment on the cuts and therefore didn't know (or care) of the disproportionate impact on women.

This has been known for ages and going on for ages. Why does he suddenly decide to care now, and act like it is all a big surprise and a new thing? Oh yes the opinion polls.

Huh.

edam · 17/11/2011 20:07

Quite, Sardine. The analysis, the facts and figures are all out there - people have been telling the government this stuff for more than a year now, and ministers have refused to acknowledge any of it, much less address vital issues such as the danger of removing legal aid from victims of domestic violence. My boss tried to tell the Justice Secretary what impact his policies would have, but was completely ignored - and she's from an organisation where you wouldn't expect hostility from the Tories (not party political, but not radical either).

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caramelwaffle · 17/11/2011 20:14

Yes. Quite, Sardine.

breadandbutterfly · 17/11/2011 20:44

MrPants - What do you mean by "an appointment by numbers system would have meant permanent jobs for the likes of Edwina Currie, Estelle Morris, Hazel Blears & Caroline Flint, and sorry, but they just weren't up to the job"?

The first three certainly were ministers (a very good one in the case of Estelle Morris - she chose to give up the ministerial portfolio - she wasn't pushed) - though I don't know about Caroline Flint. How 'permanent' can a ministerial position be? Confused Surely it depends on the whims of the Prime Minister, and, more importantly, the electorate.

MrPants · 17/11/2011 21:31

breadandbutterfly All four were ministers of state - one under the Conservatives, three under Labour (although their party allegiance has little to do with why I picked them).

Edwina Currie was gaff prone who, as a Health Minister, caused a blind panic over the safety of eggs and their links to salmonella - this was later demonstrated to be untrue but by then, the damage had been done and many farms went bust.

Estelle Morris admitted herself that she wasn't up to the job. That's a very brave and honest thing for a politician to say but it hardly makes them competent.

Hazel Blears was also gaff prone, largely ineffective and is best remembered for being one of the foremost MP's for fiddling her expenses.

Caroline Flint, who as Mister for Europe, later admitted that she'd never read the Treaty of Lisbon - despite being the minister responsible for overseeing the introduction of the treaty.

Each of these was elevated to the cabinet so one can only assume that at that time, the respective leaders of their parties thought that they were the best people for the jobs.

By permanent, I meant that instead of acceding to their roles on whatever merit they were thought to have, under a quota system, there is even less pressure on them to remain in post. The permanence derives from the fact that there are fewer people to replace them.

As a final point, the whims of the electorate have nothing to do with ministerial selection. If they did, there would be no way that Mandy, twice as an MP and finally (without even a seat in the House of Commons) as Baron Mandelson, would have been made a cabinet minister.

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