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Ah, the disabled benefit cheats at it again

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bialystockandbloom · 11/11/2011 13:57

So the govt about to try to push through £2bn cuts to DLA. So, the govt spin puppets DM run huge front page feature on the "cheats" again.

All the usual bilge designed to convince the ignorant masses that disabled people are at best a burden to the "taxpayer" (as if disabled people never pay taxes), and at worst money-grabbing cheats who are almost single-handedly solely responsible for the financial mess the country's in. To pave the way for a resounding silence from the media and public when huge cuts are made to disability allowance, services, education and support.

Hmm

FYI Daily Mail:

  1. DLA is not a 'benefit'. It is a direct payment to provide assistance to people with disabilities who struggle as a direct result of those disabilities. It has nothing to do with whether you work or not.
  1. One glaringly obvious reason why a % of recipients get it without 'attending an interview' is because they are children.
  1. Another is that they provide medical evidence of their disability.
  1. Ian Duncan Smith: "At the moment, hundreds of millions of pounds are paid out in disability benefits to people who have simply filled out a form." I simply filled out a form today (for a loyalty card at a local shop). Where the fuck's my money then?? Oh, that would be because the 100+-page DLA form isn't quite the same as simply filling in your name and address.
  1. "More than 70 per cent of existing claimants are on DLA for life without facing any regular checks." Hmm, would that be because they have disabilities for life perchance? Blindness, deafness, CP, chromosomal conditions, autism, learning difficulties, ataxia, and all the other hundreds and hundreds of lifelong disabilities.

FFS I have never linked to a news story on MN before but am so spitting mad about this. Angry

Mumsnet is there any chance of getting Ian Duncan Smith and/or DM editor (is it still Paul Dacre?) on for a webchat?

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Peachy · 14/11/2011 08:35

I still have the postal receipt for ds3's DLA application- £8.50 recorded, and that was a few years back (awarded until 16, autism, speech and language difficulties and little attention- SNU place, can't work and won;t raise a family or marry sadly- do you think i;d choose £275 pcm over that? blimey if you do)

It was still refused and I had to appeal, even then he is on a lower rate than should be but I gave up.

A whole BIBIC assessment (every single thing a child can do assessed by age as to where he is, funded by children in need as we could not get SLT- I credit that charity with ds3 talking at all); statement ; Paed reports... and still an appeal. Because we could fake all that right? Not as if his teachers or the LEA SN dept or anything might notice?

And absolutely to all the people who conflate DLA with out of work benefit: I wish people would ensure they know of what they talk before they post.
DLA and the things we try with DS1 are what will enable him to work. Big difference. Should my eyesight fail (a fair chance apparently, has been for years bit by bit) low rate DLA will mean I can still get to a place of work. DLA enabling someone to carry on in work is far cheaper than ESA and all the housing benefit etc attached to it, and is a massive investment I beleive when looked at that way. of course some people won;t work, but these are the people most politicians even state they want to help; if they are in any way supportive of ATOS though they are liars.

LMAO at the judgy pants today though: just had a comment about the 'nice new car' mobility is supposed to have bought me: except we don't get HR Mobility and it's a loan car because an Iceland van hit our ancient Multipla and it's in for a respray at their cost. nice try though judgers! Grin

SWC 'worthless meditterraneans' normally I disagree with you but love you anyway; that's a phrase I would never expect you to use. However absolutely IB had massive issues, given a GP could sign it off on a patient's say-so. But we no longer have IB so that's a ridiculous point. And YY to good reasons for a rise: more children surviving prem births and disability they would other wise die from, people living longer with severe illnesses such as cancer and AIDS, better detection of underlying disability instead of labelling children as stupid or bad. Frankly SWC something we should be glad of for teh sake of our children.

'Few people would object to proper assessments, but I think we are gearing up for an expensive farce.' Absoluely: but proper ones. Anyone reading ds1's statement and reports (he is at an ASD Base) would know ds1 has issues, but he won't tick ATOS boxes so won't get the PIP that might keep him in study then work after 16, or indeed after 2012 when nexta ssessed. DS1 won;t hit the boxes at 16 becuase he is not phyically disabled beyond speech: fully mobile.

But as I said on another thread- I think that every MP that supports this, and indeed every person in a position to hire, should be forced to take on someone like ds3 who is severely disabled but slips through ATOS boxes. Because frankly if you do the shit you can clear it up . They won't though, they will say 'oh He is not able to work' and completely fail to grasp how stupid that is. If ds3 can;t concentrate for them, he cannot for anyone.

Peachy · 14/11/2011 08:38

'ARRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH'

to: DH was dealing with someone in court the other day who had been diagnosed with aspergers a number of years ago. The court had adjourned the case for assessments, to see if he still had aspergers. It's a neurological condition, you dumb fucks. He's got it FOREVER.

SWC If he doesn't want to do formal training I am more than happy to do some information for him free, powerpoint or pamphlet- whatever would suit. getting the business started soon so practice is good.

TwoIfBySea · 14/11/2011 11:37

Aw see, I saw a thread about benefits cheats and thought you would all be talking about Baroness Uddin and her theft of £125,000 from the taxpayer.

£125,000

Think of the possibilities.

acumenin · 14/11/2011 12:33

Wow, with £125,000 I could buy an EPIOC so DP could go outside, a dynamic reposing mattress, so I could sleep through the night without doing the turns, a hoist gantry so DP could use the bathroom...and a FLAT so I wouldn't have to wheel DP over a plank of wood bridging the stairs (who needs bungee jumping when you're a quad in a two up two down).

It would be amaaaaaze.

Peachy · 14/11/2011 12:36

I could buy the car that people think we got free and shout at us about LMAO

And a lot more bisides, it's a 2009 Galaxy not a Lambo!

TwoIfBySea · 14/11/2011 12:59

Yeah, so when the powers-that-be try and make you feel guilty over something you have no control over and a situation you wish you were not in you just think of "Labour" Baroness Uddin and her three houses and the fact she is too poor to hand the money back.

I've seen other posts you've written in these trying times Peachy and am wishing you and yours the best as if the people who did have money shared it around a little more you'd have no worries.

I really need to win the big lottery so I can play fairy godmother. Would be such fun!

Peachy · 14/11/2011 13:11

Ah we will be OK TwoIf: I have a meeting finally confirmed with small business people on Friday so I can decide whether to go for that or employment of the employed kind. talking about moving home maybe in 2 - 3 years as well as there are more jobs there, but only if DS1 can go MS as there is no provision for kids with HFA outside MS there.

It's the people with less supportive partners and less options that worry me most.

Tianc · 14/11/2011 13:19

" IB had massive issues, given a GP could sign it off on a patient's say-so."

Eh?

I was signed off by a doctor for 6 months, on lower rate short-term IB. At the 6 month mark, I was sent for a DWP medical without which IB would not continue.

This was 2003.

I later looked it up and the 6 month DWP medical was the norm (tho I can't exclude that some of the cancer charities may have negotiated special treatment, as they did for DLA.)

Frank Field and his Daily Fail friends attempt to portray long-term IB as sitting on one's backside for life signed off by a GP on the patient's say-so. It's just not true.

Peachy · 14/11/2011 13:34

Ah you see we are talking at x purposes: I was referring to initial signing off. I know DH was offered that had didn't take it, bloody well should have actually, would have savedf a lot of grief in the long run as his health completely collapsed afterwards which is when house had to be sold.

Tianc · 14/11/2011 14:14

Ah, glad to have picked up on that tho, because there's been a dedicated attempt to portray IB as "signed off by the GP for years" and "the big change with ESA is going to be independent assessment".

fannybanjo · 14/11/2011 14:16

I think we should start a boycott the Daily Mail thread in a similar way Scousers boycotted the Sun. Whoever buys this shit needs a huge kick up the arse.

Peachy · 14/11/2011 15:45

Independent assessment by a bunch of wankers without a clue as to what they are talking about, Tianc*.

*OK I know, mainly people trying to pay their bills, but if it takes me years to get an MA in Autism why can someone with no formal SN quals just walk in and think they know better? Even GPs seem to know very little indeed about the specifics of disorders.

Tianc · 14/11/2011 16:46

Oh indeedy. A particularly charming aspect is that the old IB assessors were all doctors.

Under the changes, the assessors are dental nurses and physiotherapists reading out a questionnaire and ticking multiple choice boxes. A monkey could do it.

And the actual decision is made by a completely unskilled paper-pusher. They have an internal guidebook saying "a person with disease X will/won't be able to do the following" ? DWP staff have come on here and said so. One said, IIRC, that you shouldn't describe your worst days on the form, because "We'll have the guidebook and know you must be lying." Jolly good.

Shows you just how much they value the long intrusive application form, GP's statement, specialist's statement, face-to-face interview with nurse reading questionnaire.

Peachy · 14/11/2011 16:48

Although apparently when I looked into it I am not qualified, even though i''d have the MA. Okaaaaaaay...

bialystockandbloom · 14/11/2011 19:56

fannybanjo Wouldn't it be great to think a boycott would make a difference - but I am sure most of MNers don't buy the DM as it is. And sadly the bigotted numbskulls that make up the majority of the DM readership, and who are most susceptible to this kind of propaganda, are not likely to be reading this. (And even if they are, are likely to refuse to change their views Sad.)

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smallwhitecat · 14/11/2011 21:16

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Tianc · 14/11/2011 22:11

WTF, a career criminal, burglar or mugger also makes money by committing fraud on IB... and that brings IB into disrepute?

You live in a very strange universe swc.

Does it also bring Tescos into disrepute if they shoplifted from there?

Tianc · 14/11/2011 22:14

Or are you doing the classic "if you can walk 10 m without a stick then you can run the London marathon"?

smallwhitecat · 14/11/2011 22:23

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Tianc · 14/11/2011 22:38

Only if the observers are stupid.

I see speed limits being abused. Does that bring speed limits into disrepute?

Tianc · 14/11/2011 22:40

Actually can repeat the Tescos eg.

People abuse open shelves by shoplifting from Tescos. Does that bring Tescos into disrepute?

Dillydaydreaming · 14/11/2011 22:45

Ah but SWC - yes there ARE abuses of the system but the system would do better to chase these abusers rather than condemn everyone and ask people to judge their neighbour which is what society is being encouraged to do at the moment.

You only need to turn on the TV or pick up a so called "news" paper to see the hate spilling out. It's not nice and makes me feel very uncomfortable about where we are heading.

Take the DM alone - in the past few weeks they have told their (admittedly thick) readers that if a child has ADHD. ( or as the Mail put it "naughty child syndrome"Hmm) their parents get "a free car" under the Motobility scheme (wrong) and that if you want disability payments you "just fill in a form" (that would be the 30 page one which has voluntary organisations dedicating time to help folk with as it's do complex).

Do you see why the majority of genuine claimants might be a tad pissed off?

I keep waiting for my "free car" but even tho DS has ADHD (as well as autism, dyspraxia, learning difficulties and hypermobile joints) I don't see one appearing. Could the Mail (and whoever is drip feeding them this crap) be wrong?

Sevenfold · 14/11/2011 22:49

ih I do love the way mn blames the DM for all the hatred towards the disabled.
you only have to read mn, to see the jealousy

Dillydaydreaming · 14/11/2011 23:04

What jealousy Confused?

Tianc · 14/11/2011 23:37

Always a fair bit of jealousy on the blue badge threads, alas. "Someone's getting something I'm not getting. Wah!"

Or "Disabled BIL's house is warm, how very dare he?"

But there's a lot less of it on MN than in the frothing madness of DM world.

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