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NICE recommend all women should be able to have a cs

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LoveBeingAWitch · 29/10/2011 22:59

Just seen tomorrow's front page of the Sunday times saying that NICE are saying cd has become such a safe op that every woman should be able to have one if that's what they want. Im quite surprised by this.

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iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:06

"scared" isn't that what a number of people asking for an elective (for non medical reasons) CS with tokophobia will beConfused.

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 31/10/2011 00:07

Most women are able to cope with their pain in labour

Most women aren't offered effective pain relief during labour so they have little option but to cope.

BagofHolly · 31/10/2011 00:08

"if that does not help them feel more comfortable other approaches. This would be with well qualified therapists they would know the best ways to help their patient,"

That's persuasion. That's not counselling, it's attempting to persuade women round to a particular way of thinking - that VB is acceptable to them.

That's pushing one agenda, one choice, NOT allowing women to make an informed choice and reach their own decision! Angry

BagofHolly · 31/10/2011 00:10

"To start with, if choice is freely available, you'll probably have about 50/50."

Where d'you get that from??

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:11

Not persuasion I have advocated how to find out any information-is this not better than being told? They can find out what they want. This was one example of potential help if the therapist thinks that information will help.

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 31/10/2011 00:11

"I didn't get an epidural when I requested it"

I didn't get a homebirth when I requested it - had to pay for an independent midwife.

Resources are limited for all of us.

You're seriously trying to justify leaving women in agony?

Where else in a hospital would it be considered acceptable to leave a patient in severe pain, begging for relief? But because it's pain caused by childbirth that somehow makes it different?

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:11

I advocate teaching them how to make infomed choice (if they want it).

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:12

agree with this
"To start with, if choice is freely available, you'll probably have about 50/50."

Where d'you get that from??

LeninGrad · 31/10/2011 00:13

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BleedyGhoulzombiez · 31/10/2011 00:13

It shouldn't be assumed that most women are in unbearable agony during childbirth. I doubt that anyone has accurate statistics detailing what proportion of women genuinely do and don't manage the pain of childbirth without medication (and here I am not including women who are forced to do without against their preference/ will), and obviously everyone has different pain thresholds, so ultimately it has to be the choice of each individual woman what is best for her.

It does amaze me, thinking about the broad picture of maternity services in the UK, that in 2011 there is still so much ground to cover to bring maternity care up to scratch in this country. It's not like nobody knows what improvements need to be made.

TheBrideofFrankenstein · 31/10/2011 00:14

This thread Grin

What do you think it would be?

BagofHolly · 31/10/2011 00:14

"Not persuasion I have advocated how to find out any information-is this not better than being told? They can find out what they want. This was one example of potential help if the therapist thinks that information will help."

Told what???? Jeez, I didn't want therapy, I wanted an ELCS!

BleedyGhoulzombiez · 31/10/2011 00:15

NotanOtter, that is dreadful re stitching. Appalling and unacceptable. Sad And, stupidly, more costly in the long run to your PCT. Duh!

BagofHolly · 31/10/2011 00:17

"This thread

What do you think it would be?"

Ah, I'd assumed it was from robust published peer reviewed research from an esteemed source, as accessed a la Iggly's plans to 'understand facts.' Grin

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:18

Damn that 3 degrees ..........

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 31/10/2011 00:19

No, it shouldn't be assumed. But it is routinely assumed by many midwives that they know better than the labouring woman how intense the pain is and what they need to cope.

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:19

Opps."those"

NotnOtter · 31/10/2011 00:35

the pain i suffered in three of my labours I would indeed describe as 'unbearable' and yet I had to bear it

I had no choice

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:42

Not getting pain relief requested is wrong, but you can get inadequate painrelief in a CS as well. Surely more money (more staff) here would be good......

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 31/10/2011 00:47

A planned epidural takes around half an hour max. Followed by morphine if necessary. Not 18 hours+

MonstrouslyNarkyPuffin · 31/10/2011 00:48

c-section not epidural.

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:50

It should never be 18+ hours after a requestShock, more anaesthetists required.

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:54

A lot of problems I had with DS were due to junior doctors, not enough senior ones.

iggly2 · 31/10/2011 00:56

The old story of do not get ill/need care August/September/October.....time!

MrsFruitcake · 31/10/2011 06:27

I haven't read the whole thread, but my personal opinion is that VB is of course the best way to give birth - what nature intended and where at all possible, it is best to give birth this way. I don't understand why a CS birth would be offered as an option if there was no real medical reason for it, nor why any woman would prefer one over a VB. Apart from my SIL who told me after the birth of my 2nd child that my minge was probably all flappy and hers was still nice and 'small' due to her 2 CS deliveries and that's why she was glad she had to have them that way!

I sailed very close to having a planned CS with DD - which I was very vocal about not wanting. The recovery time afterwards put me off and it is major surgery!