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Assange - How Ironic

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/09/2011 06:56

Assange upset at publishers

For a man that has made a career of releasing information into the public domain against various peoople's wishes, there's something marvellously ironic about him accusing his publisher of 'opportunisme and duplicity' for releasing his memoirs too early. Is that the sound of petards hoisting?

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Pendeen · 29/09/2011 16:38

kelly2000

There would be no need for any extradition.

The UK could simply deport Assange as an undesirable alien.

kelly2000 · 29/09/2011 17:48

It is not as simple as just deporting someone. He could claim (as he is doing with Sweden) that he would be sent to America or get his human rights broken in Australia, and it would end up going through the exact same court cases.

Pendeen · 30/09/2011 22:21

Deporting someone is actually very easy if you have the right approach. There are no human rights problems with Australia.

The usual difficulty with many deportations is not knowing their country of origin.

That is not so in this case.

aliceliddell · 01/10/2011 12:36

It is poetic justice. HahahahahahahahahahaGrin

kelly2000 · 02/10/2011 00:23

Pendeen,
Are you saying there is a human rights issue with Sweden, one of the countries with the best human rights records in the world, and which comes under the same human rights laws as the UK. Extradition is only easy if the person does not fight it and then appeal and appeal it.

aliceliddell · 02/10/2011 12:01

The human rights argument is only valid if you believe an attempt to give women rights in sexual assault cases represents an intolerable infringement on men's civil liberties.

Pendeen · 02/10/2011 22:09

kelly2000

The human rights record of Sweden is not relevant. (Yes I know they are one of the good guys).

Assange is an Australian national. The UK is currently enmeshed in an extradition case with Sweden.

The simplest solution is to put him on a plane to Australia - his country.

Let Australia and Sweden argue. It's nothing to do with the UK.

kelly2000 · 02/10/2011 22:55

Pendeen,
You cannot just deport someone because they are from another country. It would have to go through the same extradition procedure as for Sweden. In fact it woudl be more complicated than sending him to Sweden as there is no EAW system. His nationality makes no difference as to the ease with extraditing him to Australia if he decided to fight it.

Pendeen · 02/10/2011 22:59

kelly2000

Yes nationality does not make a difference. EAW system is irrelevant.

Try to understand the fundamental difference between:

Extradition

Deportation

The procedures are quite different.

kelly2000 · 03/10/2011 12:23

Deportation still ends up in a process like extradition if the person does not want to go. It is not a case of saying "you are not British, fuck off out". It woudl need to go through the courts, and it is unlikely Sweden will stop trying to extradite him, so we would end up with two court case going on. We cannot just say to Sweden that we are trying to deport him, so we are not extraditing him to Sweden, wait until he gets to Australia.

Pendeen · 04/10/2011 17:22

Not at all.

Deportation is quite simple compared with extradition.

Once he had been deported, the other case would become irrelevant.

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