Human rights for the looters are more important...why should police bother?

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Lets face it, our legal system is so corrupt that it is a simple fact that the aggressors have more rights than the victims. This way the legal profession makes sack fills of dosh and the rest of us are toast.

What is point of police or anyone else doing anything....the cat is out of the bag.....these aggressors know they will get away with at the most a verbal wrap on the knuckles.

Problem is it all builds up to such a crescendo that society breaks down.

I am so sorry for all those innocents intimidated/robbed/threatened and really wish those human rights lawyers would get a conscience.

PS. If channel bleeding 4 apologises for the looters once more (poor them, their social centre was shut down) so help me I will start a boycott.

"it is a simple fact that the aggressors have more rights than the victims."

Disagree.

Thank you DrP - you are right...it is of course rap.

I live in Northern Ireland now (was in London for 12 years) and unfortunately we have much more experience of this nonsense and again we hear this underclass argument which is just lunacy. I know plenty of people brought up in abject poverty - true poverty. I don't mean the sort where you need branded trainers. These people have turned out without fail to be decent people - they know the difference between right and wrong/what stealing is etc...

The problem with the one's who cause trouble HERE now is that they feel they are owed something for nothing. They feel entitled to take, they get HUGE amounts of money to spend on yet more community projects. Without fail they have 40k play parks next to their estates, 50" flatscreens and 80k community festivals - drive through these areas and you will find sky dishes on every house and an amazing amount of nearly new 'mobility' cars driven by very able bodied people.They cry poverty when they are often wealthier than the rest. Sure some people in these areas are decent and upstanding but sadly they too have to put up with these hoods who live in their midst.Those from other areas in our city get none of this, they are the types who don't moan and earn what they have.

So sure pay for community projects all you like, this doesn't deal with the real problem.

As for knee jerk, we have real experience and one thing that you don't need is the army. Seriously, I really hope you don't get the army on the streets or plastic bullets because then it will really go downhill. No offence, I have good friends who are serving but the army are not ideal in these situation....its hard to get them out!

Re the lawyer - you have no idea what you are talking about and I am obviously not going to give details...think what you like, as you are fully entitled. I do think judges and the law has a case to answer about sentencing. White collar crime (how many banksters have done time for what they have done to the country?) and plain aggressive criminals and pedophiles seem to get pathetic sentences when grannies who don't pay a tv licence or bin fine go to jail. The law seems to be arranged as a meal ticket for the profession and damn all about justice.

These hoods regardless of colour know they will get off scot free time and time again. We all know it so when the politicians say they will feel the full force of the law a lot of people in the uk are just a bit jaded.

sorry have a case not has a case

Common sense......
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/08/09/london-riots-human-rights-laws-have-made-police-sitting-ducks-says-tory-mp-86908-23331956/

I think a good part of their sentences should be to clean up the mess and work in the shops they've ruined. Spend time with the people whose livelihoods they've destroyed and really see what they've done.

Won't the 16 month sentence that Charlie Gilmour was given be a precedent when the looters are sentenced?

Of course, if any of you were/are solicitors/barristers or your DP is one then your living depends on that person doing their job. Everyone is entitled to a defence.

If you're ever accused of a crime, you'll be very glad that there are lawyers and barristers out there to argue your case. And you'll be glad that you've still got rights.

The original point was about rioters getting off with pathetic sentences, here we go as was totally predictable and so unfair.

UK riots: police unhappy at light sentences for looters
Police officers are frustrated about the light sentences handed down by the courts to some of the people who took part in the recent riots, according to a Met commander.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8694852/UK-riots-police-unhappy-at-light-sentences-for-looters.html

PS I still think the legal system is weighed too much in the favour of the aggressors, I am not recommending they screw up pace or anything else. What about a few balanced laws and appropriate sentencing?

Unfortunately, in many cases the original and good reasons for the creation of human right laws are being exploited by people that don't deserve them.

I remember reading very recently the case of a parent who used on such law to avoid imprisonment. What example does that give to his children? one example

And frankly, the lawyers that use these loopholes for the gain of criminals are criminals themselves.

So what are your suggestions to make the legal system more balanced? fwiw I don't think the laws are skewed in favour of the attacker, they are set up to protect the fundamental rule of law that everybody is innocent until proven guilty and everyone is entitled to a defence.
Sentencing could be stronger however.

I do not know what the punsihments should be, however I think making them harsh is absoultely vital

In many ways, people have no fear of blame and consquence because there is none. If we keep up with this attitude of never holding them accountable and you have created and sustain the barbaric behaviour we have witnessed.

What example is the setting to other decent people who didn't loot? Especially the working poor? They have to work hours and hours and other can walk in and take? Working doesn't pay but crime does?

What will the decent youths of today think- why bother working hard when I can loot and hurt people? Why should I try anymore?

Societies moral as well trust in the goverment will go down the pan if no justice is dought. People will simply give up and become even more disullsuoned and angry.

And worse of all what the actual looters think- lets do it all over again as not much happened last time and everyone just blamed the police/ goverment/ tax evaders/ advertisers anyway?

Most looters are being sent to the Crown Court for sentencing, so are looking at more than six months. Many of them for a first offence. Seems like it is being taken very seriously indeeed by the courts.

our legal system is so corrupt that it is a simple fact that the aggressors have more rights than the victims

The law seems to be arranged as a meal ticket for the profession and damn all about justice.

Really? You say this based on what experience? Newspapers which pick and choose when and how to report cases based on a political agenda?

In truth, there are very few cases where human rights arguments even feature and even fewer where they affect the outcome.

Spend a day or two at your local Crown Court and then see what you think. The system is overloaded to the point of chaos and creaking at the seams. It is kept going by conscientious lawyers, judges and officials who do their best in some very difficult circumstances. And if you think anyone practising criminal law is in it for the money, you're barking. Absent a very few top QCs, it is a really really hard way to make a reasonable but by no means stellar living.

My Cambridge graduate BIL, a criminal solicitor in Devon of many decades' experience, barely scrapes a living from his legal aid work for the criminals of Plymouth.