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Nurse arrested for contaminating saline with insulin

47 replies

shandyleer · 20/07/2011 21:40

Shades of Beverley Allit (think I've spelt the surname wrong there)? Has she said why she did this yet?

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bumpsoon · 22/07/2011 21:09

It might not be this nurse but my gut instinct says it is a nurse . Dr's dont give insulin or IV fluids ,pharmacists dont touch either on the ward ,neither do HCAs so it has to be a nurse , unfortunately .

TableVamp · 22/07/2011 21:17

Well she has been charged now so there we are

DuelingFanjo · 22/07/2011 21:20

strange that she hasn't been charged with murder. How long can they keep someone in without charging them for something?

TableVamp · 22/07/2011 21:35

24 hours
36 with with superindenent authority
96 hours with magistrate authority

Re: not murder - yeah I thought the same thing....

TableVamp · 22/07/2011 21:37

*superintendent

Feenie · 22/07/2011 21:51

But not convicted yet. Difference.

bumpsoon · 22/07/2011 22:50

Well either a nurse or a diabetic who works in stores

duckdodgers · 23/07/2011 10:50

Well, if the stress of the job and 12 hour shifts are part of the reason this has happened, then management need to bear some of the responsibilty.

Lots of jobs are stressful but you dont go around killing people to relieve the stress, this is a bit much to say this. Nursing (and Im a Nurse) is of course stressful and 12 hour shifts can be the norm in the wards - but there are 100s of thousands of Nurses working in the UK under stress!

edam · 23/07/2011 12:06

Reporting restrictions only kick in when someone is actually charged, not at the point of arrest. So the logic is to print as much detail as you can at that stage (within the limits of not assuming guilt) and hope the person isn't charged in between going to press and hitting the streets. And the tabs have been pushing reporting restrictions to the limits anyway, as in the case of Joanna Yates' landlord, poor man. About time the DPP took action to bring the papers back into line. When I was training, we were told there were only ten facts you could report safely once someone was charged - things like name, address, occupation, details of the charge and next court appearance.

PaperView · 23/07/2011 14:34

It is not proved that the tampering was the cause of those patients deaths that is why the charges are six counts of causing damage with intent to endanger life or being reckless as to whether life was being endangered.

SurreyDad · 24/07/2011 20:49

Well, if you believe the DM, the police ARE investigating staff relationships on the wards concerned, and the fact that drugs that should have been locked up weren't. And people still think that management shouldn't be accepting some responsibility if they knew these things were happeneing and didn't take action to stop it? Corporate manslaughter I think is the term that is used, rather than murder?

scurryfunge · 24/07/2011 20:56

Possibly still awaiting PM results Paperview.

BartletForAmerica · 25/07/2011 12:01

I am a doctor and a diabetes specialist. I have a lot of access to insulin. I work 14 hour shifts sometimes and consider my job to be very stressful at times. And yet, somehow, I have managed to avoid murdering anyone!

I fail to see why management are at fault in any way here! SurreyDad is talking nonsense!

BartletForAmerica · 25/07/2011 12:03

As for the charges, it will be very difficult to prove that someone died of hypoglycaemia due to contaminated saline, particularly as it was some time before these suspicions of a tampered batch came to light. Remember that these patients were unwell to start with so the defence could claim that they died of their underlying illness.

That, of course, doesn't detract from this being a tragic story for all those families affected.

SurreyDad · 27/07/2011 00:03

The Corporate Manslaughter laws were brought in to deal with management where deaths are caused by their staff owing to management action or inaction.

BartletForAmerica · 27/07/2011 06:51

That's all very good, but there hasn't been (as far as we know from what has been reported) management action or inaction causing death. Where are they at fault exactly?

SurreyDad · 27/07/2011 16:05

See my post on 24th. Plus management aren't going to tell the media they are under investigation, are they?

BartletForAmerica · 27/07/2011 19:07

You don't really understand this, do you? As demonstrated here & elsewhere, you have your own interpretation of the law.

Have you ever worked in a hospital? Not sure that you understand how they work or how most of us are regular access to drugs, yet mysteriously avoid killing people!

SurreyDad · 27/07/2011 20:50

Thats's the point. Drugs were not kept secure, and management knew about it and did nothing. Most of you avoid killing people, but not everyone. Hospitals are not exempt from the law - so you cannot claim that I do not know how they work as if that exempts them from following rules everyone else has to follow.

PaperView · 27/07/2011 21:17

SurreyDad, you cannot claim to know how this particular hospital works either.

Dylthan · 27/07/2011 21:26

But neither saline or insulin need to be kept securely there not controlled drugs Confused

I really don't see how management can be to blame for this either.

TartyDoris · 27/07/2011 23:19

I am sure she has had some traumatic experience in her life that has led her to commit these acts, poor girl. No doubt a penis-wielding man will be ultimately to blame.

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