Nurse arrested for contaminating saline with insulin

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Shades of Beverley Allit (think I've spelt the surname wrong there)? Has she said why she did this yet?

It might not be this nurse but my gut instinct says it is a nurse . Dr's dont give insulin or IV fluids ,pharmacists dont touch either on the ward ,neither do HCAs so it has to be a nurse , unfortunately .

Well she has been charged now so there we are

strange that she hasn't been charged with murder. How long can they keep someone in without charging them for something?

24 hours
36 with with superindenent authority
96 hours with magistrate authority

Re: not murder - yeah I thought the same thing....

*superintendent

But not convicted yet. Difference.

Well either a nurse or a diabetic who works in stores

Well, if the stress of the job and 12 hour shifts are part of the reason this has happened, then management need to bear some of the responsibilty.

Lots of jobs are stressful but you dont go around killing people to relieve the stress, this is a bit much to say this. Nursing (and Im a Nurse) is of course stressful and 12 hour shifts can be the norm in the wards - but there are 100s of thousands of Nurses working in the UK under stress!

Reporting restrictions only kick in when someone is actually charged, not at the point of arrest. So the logic is to print as much detail as you can at that stage (within the limits of not assuming guilt) and hope the person isn't charged in between going to press and hitting the streets. And the tabs have been pushing reporting restrictions to the limits anyway, as in the case of Joanna Yates' landlord, poor man. About time the DPP took action to bring the papers back into line. When I was training, we were told there were only ten facts you could report safely once someone was charged - things like name, address, occupation, details of the charge and next court appearance.

It is not proved that the tampering was the cause of those patients deaths that is why the charges are six counts of causing damage with intent to endanger life or being reckless as to whether life was being endangered.

Well, if you believe the DM, the police ARE investigating staff relationships on the wards concerned, and the fact that drugs that should have been locked up weren't. And people still think that management shouldn't be accepting some responsibility if they knew these things were happeneing and didn't take action to stop it? Corporate manslaughter I think is the term that is used, rather than murder?

Possibly still awaiting PM results Paperview.

I am a doctor and a diabetes specialist. I have a lot of access to insulin. I work 14 hour shifts sometimes and consider my job to be very stressful at times. And yet, somehow, I have managed to avoid murdering anyone!

I fail to see why management are at fault in any way here! SurreyDad is talking nonsense!

As for the charges, it will be very difficult to prove that someone died of hypoglycaemia due to contaminated saline, particularly as it was some time before these suspicions of a tampered batch came to light. Remember that these patients were unwell to start with so the defence could claim that they died of their underlying illness.

That, of course, doesn't detract from this being a tragic story for all those families affected.

The Corporate Manslaughter laws were brought in to deal with management where deaths are caused by their staff owing to management action or inaction.

That's all very good, but there hasn't been (as far as we know from what has been reported) management action or inaction causing death. Where are they at fault exactly?

See my post on 24th. Plus management aren't going to tell the media they are under investigation, are they?

You don't really understand this, do you? As demonstrated here & elsewhere, you have your own interpretation of the law.

Have you ever worked in a hospital? Not sure that you understand how they work or how most of us are regular access to drugs, yet mysteriously avoid killing people!

Thats's the point. Drugs were not kept secure, and management knew about it and did nothing. Most of you avoid killing people, but not everyone. Hospitals are not exempt from the law - so you cannot claim that I do not know how they work as if that exempts them from following rules everyone else has to follow.

SurreyDad, you cannot claim to know how this particular hospital works either.

But neither saline or insulin need to be kept securely there not controlled drugs

I really don't see how management can be to blame for this either.

I am sure she has had some traumatic experience in her life that has led her to commit these acts, poor girl. No doubt a penis-wielding man will be ultimately to blame.