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is your faith in politics...dying?

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magpienchips · 17/07/2011 13:46

Lets be realistic,
the reputation of the current government is far from good...in fact can you find a single good thing that this coalition has done up to now that can be considered as a step in the right direction?
you have a prime minister whose judgment has proved to be extremely poor... you have a energy minister who is accused of trying to get his ex wife to take the blame for a driving offense...and yet the leader of this coalition is the one who said he would clean up politics...are you convinced?
to be fair, the coalition inherited a real shambles thanks to the previous labour government.
but hey, can anyone recall a single British government of the 20th and first decade of the 21st century that has ever got it right?
it's been a disaster hasn't it?
please share your thoughts.
Thanks.

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EdithWeston · 06/08/2011 07:37

People like Dan Jarvis do however stand and get elected.

I'd like to see more like him - not least because he also saw off, during selection, the centrally approved party candidate.

BadgersPaws · 06/08/2011 10:34

"If people are disillusioned with politics, spoiling ballot papers would be a childish response. The best reaction would be to run for office themselves... actually make a difference."

Getting actually involved and standing is a better response, but spoiling papers is far from childish and is a very good option, it's far better than just staying at home and moaning that politics is rubbish.

Spoilt papers are counted, and this is good for two reasons. Firstly if there is a very high number of spoilt votes then the legitimacy of the elected candidate is questionable, and that is important. However the biggest reason is that it can indicate that there is a sizeable number of voters who are prepared to go out and vote if they can be pleased and engaged with. If you're a candidate in an area where the number of spoilt papers outnumbered the majority of the last winner then suddenly you've got a reason to go out and engage with people.

So many people get this backwards and say "well I'm not voting for any of them until they do something to please me" and then they just stay at home. Politicians will never bother with them, one more person who won't vote is one person that they don't have to worry about even attempting to please. The politicians will only work on and engage with those people who will go out and vote, who will change their votes and exist in enough numbers in an area to make a difference.

So spoilt papers indicates the exact number people who won't just vote for their "traditional" party and who are prepared to get off their a**es and vote.

With first past the post spoiling an incredibly useful and powerful right. So don't just sit at home and moan that they all suck, get out there and spoil, be counted and demonstrate that there might well be enough of you to swing an election. And don't dismiss it as childish.

onagar · 06/08/2011 12:08

The system fails because it is faulty in design. There are several problems that even I can see.

Maybe we should rebuild it differently. Perhaps some kind of jury service arrangement which doesn't favour those who want to be in charge... of something... anything... as long as they can get their own way.... and make up their own rules.....

You can't possibly do what everyone wants in order to get re-elected so you have to abandon doing the right thing and just concentrate on pretending to do what will please the greatest number. This favours the good liar over someone who actually cares what happens.

Natural selection ensures that MPs are on the whole completely unsuited to their positions.

onagar · 06/08/2011 12:12

spoilt papers indicates the exact number people who won't just vote for their "traditional" party and who are prepared to get off their aes and vote.

That almost makes sense, but it includes those who can't even manage a ballot paper and we have no way of knowing what the proportion is.

And really, does anyone know what number of spoilt papers there were last time in their constituency? Does anyone notice?

Iggly · 06/08/2011 12:52

onagar not many papers are spoilt. They could be spoilt in many ways I'm sure. However perhaps they should have a "none of the above" tick box instead?

molepom · 06/08/2011 12:55

I never had any faith in it.

They all say what you want to hear then do what they want when they get in. It's always the same.

My votes always end up with a big black line through the whole lot as I either A) have no idea who they are or what they are doing
B)Never heard a thing about them
or C) dont trust them what so ever.

This does get written down not only on the paper but to the candidates themselves in letters/emails. I've never had a response back which just proves to me they really dont give a shit.

noddyholder · 06/08/2011 12:56

It does feel like a turning point. I think the advent of things like the x factor and big brother has permeated politics and the press and the royals. We want to know everything now and so the mystique and subsequently the ability to hide what they are up to has gone. I think it shows that people are people and no one can be fully trusted which is an awful admission but I am suspicious of all of them. Being in the public eye and the privileges that come with it should mean they are accountable to those who pay their wages us!

BadgersPaws · 07/08/2011 16:19

"That almost makes sense, but it includes those who can't even manage a ballot paper and we have no way of knowing what the proportion is."

If the number of spoilt papers suddenly substantially increased then it would be pretty clear that something was going on beyond people not understanding the paper.

"And really, does anyone know what number of spoilt papers there were last time in their constituency? Does anyone notice?"

Yes, whenever I've seen election results in my area I've always seen and paid attention to the number of spoilt papers. And it is currently a tiny number. If that number grew to be enough to swing the result of the election then you can bet that people would be paying attention...

A "none of the above" would be better, but there's no need to wait for it, we can do it already.

Solopower · 07/08/2011 21:53

There are lots of local councillors who are committed and hard-working and dedicated to making a real difference in their community, and I'm sure there are many like that in parliament too, so no, my faith in politics is still strong. What else is there?

However, I think the right v left thing is out-dated, and not very useful. I don't see things like that at all any more.

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