I wish the press would not call it child porn....

[Phoenix1]

Re the story in the news about the father/son convictions: I wish the press would not call it child porn, they are crime scene photo?s - indecent images of children. This phrase offends the victims, undermines the crime and therefore the justice - which facilitates the offenders.

Well I have never even considered this before. I've always found the 'kiddy' references offensive and demeaning but I've always thought child porn was quite impactful as a statement.

However, you've really made me consider this. I shall reflect on this and consider joining your army of polite emailers. The facts are the facts though, if victims of this heinous crime find it offensive, then it is offensive.

agree, will not use this phrase any more. ty

It makes me feel like meat :0(

So, are they images of child abuse?

I mean, I have naked piccies of my little cherubs and you could, I suppose, call them indecent. But they are innocent pictures, taken without a care and with lots of love.

'Indecent images of children' would suggest that these are included?

Thank you Fearnelinen, you made me smile

Oh and Phoenix, we're not allowed to on here, but I really want to hug you. :(

Tee hee I'm hugging back - right quick stop before anyone see's

The Guardian recently did an interesting editorial on just this. They've decided not to use the term child porn anymore.

I don't believe all naked images of children are indecent and I think the legal difference between naked and indecent is honestly very clear

Yes Hester, it was because of the Please don't call it that....team :0)

< looks round to check we weren't caught being so nice > !

Do you think the boundaries could ever be blurred? It must be a helluva job trying to decipher the purpose of the images. I am talking as someone who this week got her camera confiscated at the outdoor pool. I totally get it, but it feels so draconian :(

I don't know enough about this subject to comment intelligently, but I'm welcoming the education. I have to go to bed now as DD turns 5 in a few hours and no doubt she'll be wanting birthday cake for breakfast but I'll be back as they say.

We have been trying to change peoples minds about this for some time now and it was only because of good people like yourselves that things are starting to change

Yes it's late, thank you everyone I will catch up with you all of a sudden :0)

"Pornography suggest legal activity."

I find this thread unbelieveably contorted. No-one is in any doubt what is meant by the term child pornography. If it were called 'child glamour photography' you might have a point that it sounds nice and innocent... but 'pornography' is a hard-hitting word, meaning 'sexually explicit or obscene visual or written material' and which is offensive to most decent people. It doesn't suggest legality or acceptability in the slightest.

Pornography is a legitimate industry - indecent images are sex crimes against children.

This link might help - www.facebook.com/pages/The-Official-TPCA-Please-dont-call-it-that-page/136994196329069

I agree with op

I'm new to this The Stalion :0) what does 'op' mean?

Pornography may be a legitimate industry but that doesn't mean the word has lost any of its distasteful meaning or its ability to offend. You've only to read the heartbroken threads on MN when a woman discovers her partner is using pornography to realise that 'legal' doesn't equal 'acceptable'.

'Murder' is arguably a less offensive word. Great swathes of fiction and film are devoted to 'murder mysteries' and we are quite desensitised. If desensitisation is your test for banning a term... maybe 'child murder' should be replaced by 'child abuse resulting in death'... just so everyone's quite clear what it actually means?

Ridiculous..

OP = original poster, ie you, Phoenix

I do not distort its meaning Cogito, I am (along with millions of others) forced to endure those who do and indeed those who refuse to hear our voice or our opinion in this matter.

Anyone out there not entirely convinced that the children whose images appear in 'child pornography' are being exploited and abused? Anyone, besides card-carrying child abusers, actually think it's voluntary?....

I'm distorting nothing. Phoenix1 - you are. I'm defending the English language as being supremely capable of conveying meaning quite accurately, and also the intelligence of the reader to be able to grasp that meaning from a short-form phrase without having it spelt out for them longhand.

Thank you Greythorne :0)

Cognito you seem to have both made my point and missed at the same time :0)