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Deputy Head + another teacher sacked for carrying child in from playground

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Ponders · 05/05/2011 23:24

\link{http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383941/Deputy-heads-career-ruins-sacked-carrying-naughty-pupil-6-playground.html\DM report}

given that it's DM there might be the odd fact missing but as reported, this is mad

'the pupil had been outside and refused to return into the school building. His mother was phoned but couldn't get to the school immediately.
'My client used the minimum of physical restraint to lift him up and carry him to the classroom. His mother came to the school and saw him, and made no complaint.'

boggle

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Goblinchild · 05/05/2011 23:29

Tell me again that teachers are over-reacting with health and safety and no touching rules?

LeninGrad · 05/05/2011 23:32

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Goblinchild · 05/05/2011 23:37

No, there would need to be two adults to watch him and to ensure any action they took to safeguard him had a witness.

LeninGrad · 05/05/2011 23:42

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Goblinchild · 05/05/2011 23:56

Have to wait for more details, and the slow drip feed of information. Or find a more reputable source.

Buda · 06/05/2011 00:03

Crazy. I did laugh this morning at DS's school. We are in Hungary and he is at a British International school and they abide by UK ratios etc. Was waving 38 children off on a sports trip and was chatting to a South African parent when a teacher came to chat too. He was going on the trip. He is also South African. He finds the UK ratios and health and safety stuff ridiculous. Claimed he laughs loudly when they tell him how many teachers he needs for correct ratios. Reckons he has been only adult with 30 kids.

I agree that some of the rules are ridiculous but feel safer that there are a more eyes on DS over the next few days.

But I wholeheartedely agree that the above story is beyond stupid!

cory · 06/05/2011 09:49

"His mother came to the school and saw him, and made no complaint.'

So the complaint was made by the head, then Hmm Sounds to me like political manoeuvering on the part of the head to get rid of a deputy s/he doesn't like. Not overreaction, but using a convenient regulation for your own ends.

mouseanon · 06/05/2011 10:06

There has to be a lot more to the story. Why was the other teacher sacked?

animula · 06/05/2011 13:16

My money's with Cory's reading.

wotnochocs · 06/05/2011 13:33

I thought they were allowed to physically handle a child when it was for the child's safety or sfety of others

maypole1 · 06/05/2011 17:30

To be honest I have a feeling this is a teacher the head wanted gone for a long time.

Why was the parent called and why should they have waited with the child he was asked to come in end. Of unless the world has gone in and adults are expected to wait on children till they have finished

Dear oh dear I am so glad my los head has a graSp on whats real

purplepidjin · 06/05/2011 17:40

Unless the child was a danger to themself or others restraint should not be used

There have been innumerable reports of people dying as a result of incorrect restraint. If you grab the wrong bit you can easily break ribs and arms or dislocate joints. Physical interventions training is normally part of other conflict management training so unless the child was in danger or putting someone else in danger a trained staff member wouldn't need to manhandle a child.

I've been in situations where I've been forced to restrain(and been trained to do so). It should be taken very seriously and only ever as a last resort. And carrying is a big no!

hocuspontas · 06/05/2011 17:45

But it just sounds like he refused to budge. So not exactly 'restraint' more 'helping to move indoors'.

Hassled · 06/05/2011 17:50

I read it more as being driven by the Governing Body than by the Head. At face value, the story is so bonkers that I really don't think we're hearing anything like the whole tale here - I suspect this came on the back of verbal or written warnings, or other concerns about the Deputy.

hocuspontas · 06/05/2011 17:52

Well there must be another story behind it because the other teacher who got sacked didn't do the carrying, a TA did.

LynetteScavo · 06/05/2011 17:59

I agree with what cory posted.

My DS was carried into school like this, when he refused to come in off the playground when he was. He thrashed and wriggled, as he was carried in. Subsequently he was excluded for two weeks. The head was very supportive off his staff, even though they hadn't used handling techniques they had been (or should have been) taught.

LynetteScavo · 06/05/2011 18:00

when he was 7.

maypole1 · 07/05/2011 17:00

well he should of jolly well have done as he was told lynettescavo and you then explain to your lo is they don't want to be carried in again they need to blinking behave and follow what they are told.

sick of this naughty children who havent been taught better then the parents go up the school shouting the odds when somone draes to give them disapline

ouragous he only 7 only 7 old enough not to do as he was told by an adult

LynetteScavo · 07/05/2011 20:01

Yes, he should have jolly well done as he was told!

He should have jolly well have gone into school without being dragged every morning. He should have got on the bus to go on the school trip without having a melt down. He should jolly well not have run out of school on the numerous occasions he did.

I didn't shout at the school. (Neither did the mother in the DM article) I think the head did the right thing in standing behind his staff in my sons case - that is the point I was making.

maypole1, there was an underlying reason for my sons behavior and it wasn't due to poor parenting, thank you. Smile

Is there a reason for your lack of capitol letters?

sheepgomeep · 07/05/2011 21:01

yes this school is my sd old school and there is a lot more to this story which I can't comment on for legal reasons

clam · 07/05/2011 21:04

Has to be, sheep.
On the face of it, this is so unreasonable that there just had to be a back story.
Good old DM.

sheepgomeep · 07/05/2011 21:15

Put it this way I am glad that my sd's no longer go to this school...

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Ponders · 07/05/2011 22:58

oh sheep, can you hint? eg is cory's post correct & if so was the problem with H or DH?

(answer 1 or 2!)

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reallytired · 09/05/2011 22:16

There must be more to this. We don't know if the staff had formal up to date training in physical restraint. It is extremely dangerous to phsyically restrain a child without proper training. People have died when physical restraint had gone wrong.

Strictly speaking the deputy should have called the police if there was a sex offender. Why couldn't the TA have watched the child in the playground.

I feel sorry for the staff involved. They had the best of intentions and sacking seems a bit harsh.

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Ponders · 09/05/2011 22:34

they didn't restrain him though, they picked him up by the armpits & lugged him into school! And why should staff numbers in school be reduced so that one of them can supervise one naughty child in the playground?

PC gorn mad [tut]

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