Philip Pullman - jealousy perhaps?

[JonesTheScream]

ok, so what's this all about?

Haven't read his books (not that I don't want to, just haven't got round to it yet!) but why this attack?

I read the LWW quite young and did get the whole Aslan/Jesus thing. Most of the others I didnt read till I was a bit older (about 12 or so) and I did see that there was some very wierd bits to them. Horse and his boy was def racist. the last Battle is bizarre to say the least (I hated it) and the excluding of Susan because she grew up and became a women was very very odd to my mind even at 12 and a tomboy.

PP being saying this for ages anyway so nothign new there and I think he has a point

Oh and CS Lewis oviously had some very f*cked up ideas about education too not to mention vegetarianism, modern dress and 'progresive ideas' on bringing up children.

I read the Hobbit etc as a teenager and found it silly. Not sure how I would react to it now.

Ahem, what's f*cked up about vegetarianism?

Oh I LOVED CS Lewis. The Magician's Nephew was so dark. Fantastic stuff. Went throught them all. As for Christian symbolism, well all the Christian stuff (death and rebirth etc) is only nicked from pre-Christian mythology anyway.

thinking about it, there was so much misogeny in the children's literature that I read, that CS Lewis doesn't stand out as worse than the others.

MI, LMAO at out 'Suitibly Aryan Boy line' , very witty!

I loved them tbh, and didn't find them mysogenist....no more than all kids books in the 60s!

yes, that one went completely over my head as a child, but then Id never heard the word "aryan" anyway.

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LOL MI. If it's Horse and his Boy that would explain why I didn't notice racism - started that one and given it up as too boring. Loved the other Narnia books but that one was different, somehow.

LOL Pruni at your last sentence.

I have to say, I never associated Turkish Delight with Turkey or Turks. Just with chocolate.
And I didn't notice the Christian aspect when I was 8 either. But as I said before, all the Christian myths of rebirth are pagan anyway. The idea of Spring not being allowed to come to the earth is absolutely ancient and nothing to do with Christianity.

F8cked up ideas about vegetarianism, see Eustace's peculiar parents and his - gasp - progressive school.

God, I know those books backwards don't I, how horribly embarrassing.

I do actually feel very uncomfortable about Lewis these days. I'm not sure how happy I'll be about my children reading him, although I think they will love him as I did.

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have to agree with pullman a bit - did not notice racism and misogeny when i first read narnia (about 8 years old) but re read with my ds and its definitely in horse and boy.

Ah but MI we turned out Okish, didn't we? Didn't we??

Since the consesus is that we all read them as kids and didn't 'get' the symbolism anyway, does the symbolism matter?

I'm not a practicing anything and I don't think that reading the Narnia books has left me scarred....I'll even eat turkesh delight. I have a faint obcesion with nice maps tho!

Ha! You don't fool me, Martianbishop. I know all about you and your steamroller.

I only squish scientologists ....and the odd faun...shit! My cover is blown

Really do have a bit of a 'thing' about maps tho....always loved the ones in the Narnia books, and LOTR

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