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"Terrorists are great and being a terrorist makes you handsome"

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Tinker · 16/09/2005 12:33

Will it soon be an offence to say this? What, exactly, is the "glorification" of terrorism?

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peacedove · 16/09/2005 18:35

seriously, I think the new British Patriot Act has just found its first victims - the government's own Anti-Terror panel.

UK Anti-terror Panel Says Iraq War Fans Extremism

CAIRO, September 16 (IslamOnline.net) ? A British government anti-terror working group concluded that the Iraq war is "undeniably a factor" in fanning extremism, and proposed forming a media unit to challenge the stereotyped media portrayal of Muslims, reported a leading British daily Friday, September 16.

"British foreign policy in the world cannot be left unconsidered as a factor in the motivations of extremists," the group said in a confidential report leaked to The Independent.

The Working Together to Prevent Extremism: Tackling Extremism and Radicalization report was drawn up after meetings between leading Muslims and government officials, said the daily.

The 13-member taskforce, chosen by the Home Office, includes prominent Muslim figures such as famed Swiss scholar Tariq Ramadan, Inayat Bunglawala, the media officer of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) and MP Shahid Malik.

Known as the working group on tackling extremism, the taskforce is part of the government's response to the July 7 attacks on London, carried out by four British Muslims.

A leaked secret memo written by Foreign Office Permanent Secretary Michael Jay warned British Prime Minister Tony Blair a year ago that the Iraq war was fuelling extremism at home and making Britain seen as a crusader state.

The London-based Royal Institute of International Affairs, known as Chatham House, gas also said that the Iraq war gave a momentum to Al-Qaeda's recruitment and fundraising and made Britain more vulnerable to terrorist attacks.

A report from Britain 's Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) further said that events in Iraq "are continuing to act as motivation and a focus of a range of terrorist-related activity in the UK".

Media unit

The working group suggested, meanwhile, the formation of a "media unit" to challenge the "negative media portrayal" of Muslims and also to distance mainstream Muslims from extremists.

The MCB, the umbrella organizations of Muslim groups in Britain, organizes on Saturday, September 17, a one-day seminar on the UK Muslims? engagement with the media.

It aims at helping develop the skills needed by British Muslims to ensure a better and more accurate representation of their faith and values in the print and broadcast media.

Attendees will be given the opportunity to listen to and question a panel of senior journalists and executives from famous British media, such as The Sun, Daily Mail, The Times, The Independent, the London Evening Standard, the BBC and Channel 4 News.

The MCB has recently demanded the BBC to investigate and apologize for a "dishonest" piece of journalism made by the broadcaster on the organization.

A coalition of some 400 organizations and considered to be the most respected voice of Britain's 1.8 million Muslims, the MCB was declared a privileged dialogue partner by Blair after the London bombings.

islamonline.net/English/News/2005-09/16/article03.shtml

aloha · 16/09/2005 18:40

And this is precisely why I voted Liberal Democrat in the last election. I hate to say this, but anyone who voted labour has personally helped bring about this dreadful, anti-democratic legislation.

Batwoman · 16/09/2005 23:36

"A couple of weeks ago, someone wrote about Iqbal Sacranie, the British Muslim leader who had lobbied last winter for a law that would make it a crime for anyone even to speak of the phenomenon of Islamic terrorism, and who was then knighted. In reply to that piece, Raphael Israeli, the Moroccan-born Israeli author of Islamikaze, sent a letter to Prime Minister Blair about an infuriating experience Professor Israeli had in Britain this past summer. In the Orwellian world of today?s Britain, allies and defenders of terrorists are knighted, while opponents of terrorism are taken off trains for reading articles about terrorism." posted by L. Auster

Prime Minister Tony Blair
London 14 September, 2005

Dear Mr. Prime Minister:

In pursuance of my previous letter to you after the London bombings, to which I have received a response from your office on 28 July, I wish to transmit to you the following, in the hope that someone of authority in your entourage will have the time to deal with it, in view of its gravity.

I was invited to participate in a seminar in Suffolk that took place on 25-30 of August. On my way out from London to Paris on the Euro-Star at the Waterloo Station on Tuesday the 30th, and after I sat with my wife in the train in the wake of long hours of waiting, I was apprehended by the British Security authorities and asked to leave my seat and accompany them out of the train. Apart from the trauma that the humiliating arrest in the middle of all the appalled looks of the passengers who must have viewed me as a fugitive criminal, I was made to miss the train to Paris with the tight schedule that was appended to it. All that was based on the suspicion by those security officers that since I left some computer print-outs that dealt with terrorism behind me in the cafeteria ( there are no waste baskets in the station for security reasons), I must have had something to do with terrorism.

Now, that is a bit a too much. I am a partisan of a strong hand in the fight against terrorism. Any suspect should be arrested if he did anything suspicious. But to arrest a person merely for what he reads, especially as this happens to be my specific field of expertise in academia? In that case, all the thousands academics, politicians, journalists, diplomats and students, who view that stuff every day, ought to be held as permanently liable for arrest. I told that much to the officers who arrested me, even suggesting that only in Stalinist Russia that was an accepted practice, but to no avail.

The fact that after various verifications and recourse to the Internet the over-zealous officers realized their error and hastened to apologize, leaves open serious questions:

a. Can arrest of innocent and respectable citizens be left to the whims of officers whose judgment is obviously flawed?

b. Must the arresting officers suggest to their foreign victims that they "did not have to come to England if they did not like the procedures"? And how about the fact that I was invited to lecture there and did not go there out of my own volition?

c. Must free people be circumspect about what they read in public, in the heart of free London at the heart of the free world?

d. The officers apologized all right, but who will compensate me for the hours I wasted, for the humiliation and trauma I underwent in the company of my wife and for the losses I have had to endure? I was supposed to arrive in Paris at 5:00 PM, to make my way to a town outside Paris where I was to address a large audience (ironically on terrorism) and be put up there for the night. So, not only did I have to annul the schedule, with all the attending damage to my reputation (regardless of the explanations and excuses I produced), but I also lost the Eur. 500 remuneration I was to receive, I had to provide the Eur. 90 for the hotel I took on my own, and I unnecessarily took that trip to Paris instead of going on with my program straight from London.

All my protestations were in vain, because the officer obviously did what he was told to do, though he could be a bit kinder. He also refused to give his name, but I am sure that with the time table I submitted above and with his identity number that he yielded to me (196037) he can be easily located.

I hope to hear from someone soon.

With my deepest respect, I Remain

Truly Yours
Professor Raphael Israeli
History of Islam and China
Hebrew University, Jerusalem

WideWebWitch · 17/09/2005 10:19

ha ha at this thread title Tinker. This law sounds like a load of old pants to me. That's my reasoned contribution, no time to write or think more.

Tortington · 17/09/2005 10:56

i'm going to have a bonfire and wear a che t-shirt cos am a rebel

SenoraPostrophe · 17/09/2005 11:06

Iqbal Sacranie is not a defender of terrorism, batwoman.

I agree though that this law is a ridiculous idea.

peacedove · 17/09/2005 11:32

Asylum Seeker Kills Himself to Give Son UK Stay

A file photo of a massive London asylum seekers demonstration.

CAIRO, September 17, 2005 (IslamOnline.net) - Hemmed in by Britain's asylum laws, Manuel Bravo took his own life on his 35th birthday out of a parental love to guarantee that his 13-year-old son Antonio would not be deported to homeland Angola, reported a leading British daily on Sunday, September 17.

"Now that Mr Bravo is dead, Antonio at least will have a chance to achieve their joint dream of building a successful life in Britain," wrote The Independent.

The Home Office said Antonio is now unlikely to be deported before his 18th birthday, so enabling him to complete his schooling in Britain. He will then be able to apply for asylum.

The British daily said the tragedy highlights the desperation many feel as London pursues "an increasingly stringent" asylum policy.

For the full story read

news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article313206.ece

peacedove · 17/09/2005 11:33

Asylum Seeker Kills Himself to Give Son UK Stay

A file photo of a massive London asylum seekers demonstration.

CAIRO, September 17, 2005 (IslamOnline.net) - Hemmed in by Britain's asylum laws, Manuel Bravo took his own life on his 35th birthday out of a parental love to guarantee that his 13-year-old son Antonio would not be deported to homeland Angola, reported a leading British daily on Sunday, September 17.

"Now that Mr Bravo is dead, Antonio at least will have a chance to achieve their joint dream of building a successful life in Britain," wrote The Independent.

The Home Office said Antonio is now unlikely to be deported before his 18th birthday, so enabling him to complete his schooling in Britain. He will then be able to apply for asylum.

The British daily said the tragedy highlights the desperation many feel as London pursues "an increasingly stringent" asylum policy.

For the full story read

news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article313206.ece

peacedove · 18/09/2005 10:18

sorry for the double post

and if I have killed the thread.

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