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Is school really so awful?

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emmaagain · 13/01/2008 11:27

In recent posts, I've written several things about school being a second-best to HE.

Here's exactly why.

From the age of about 2, perfect strangers will stop children in the street and say "Are you going to school yet? Oh, you'll LOVE school..."

From birth, parents' friends will say "What are the schools like in your area? Have you got him/her down for St Custard's yet? The waiting list is really long, you know, and you really need to get him/her into the pre-school to have a chance of a school place. And St Custard's is the best place to be."

The prevailing assumptions are

  1. school is compulsory
  2. children love school
  3. schools are wonderful places.
  4. school should start as soon as possible.

And that's all fine, for the many children who do enjoy school and find their schools to be wonderful places.

End of. I can't think why their mums would be fossicking around in the Home ed forum anyway (though it's lovely to have you here, of course, waves cheerily)

But what happens when a three year old is bursting into tears every morning at the prospect of going in to preschool? What happens when a 7 year old is crying their way through the playground? What happens when every day a child says "I don't want to go to school?"

For those families, the second and third prevailing assumptions are horrible lies. These children hate school. They are depressed, they are angry, they are maybe violent. They might be the bullied one, or they might have been classified by Mrs Miggins as "The naughty one" aged 4. They might be slower to read and write than the other kids and be "the stupid one". They might just be temperamentally unsuited for the culture of school - not everyone wants to spend all day in a large group engaging in activities decided by someone else on someone else's timetable.

The really important thing, and especially in a Mumsnet forum with "Home ed" as the title, is that those families should learn

  1. the first assmption is just wrong. School is not compulsory. Education is compulsory, but only from the age of 5 (so the fourth assumption was wrong too)

  2. the second and third assumptions are not true for all families, but there are alternatives to gritting your teeth and bearing it. And those alternatives might mean economical downsizing, and career downsizing, and moving to a caravan on the edge of Bognor (no offence meant to all those gloriously happy Bognor dwellers - it's just that the name is so funny), but the alternatives would also mean having happy children and happy parents.

  3. If you can't be happy and fulfilled in your childhood because, for whatever reason, school is hellish, whatever chance do you have of learning how to create and sustain a happy life in adulthood?

This post is a bit of a muddle, but I wanted to explain why I went off one one a bit in the "Do you have to be a SAHM to HE" thread. It's a redressing of the balance. The prevailing assumption is that school is the best possible place for children to be, and that you have to be really something quite special to educate your children yourself. Neither of those things are necessarily true.

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MicrowaveOnly · 15/01/2008 14:32

Runnerbean. I can see it is an interesting week for her and for you, it really does sound fun. But the only thing is, the point about her being comfortable in adult company, I'm not sure about it. I mean should kids be so comfortable in adult company? Doesn't 'talking to the adults and looking after the toddlers' in that way make them mature too fast? (can you mature too fast??? no idea)
Oh well, have fun -I've now got 24 13 year olds about to rampage my labs, I will be thinking of your calm and happy lessons!

emmaagain · 15/01/2008 14:43

The idea that children and adults have to be enemies, at cross purposes, at odds, unable to communicate comfortably, in an authority-subserviant relationship is not one to which I subscribe.

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Blandmum · 15/01/2008 17:30

I don;t think that either , and I'm a teacher. They are not my enemies. And I am emphatically not theirs.

emmaagain · 15/01/2008 17:34

"the point about her being comfortable in adult company, I'm not sure about it. I mean should kids be so comfortable in adult company?"

That's what I was replying to. My answer is: "yes"

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filthymindedvixen · 15/01/2008 18:56

Julienoshoes, thank you for your kind and thoughtful post.
Sadly, short of selling off bits of my body for medical experiements, we are up against it financially anyway - we already do most of the things you do, to economise and fund your HE, just to survive, and that's with both of us working
And ironically, both dh's mother and mine were teachers. but are too elderly or distant to supervise the education of our lively 10-year-old. (Not to mention both are severely lacking in the sciences and Ologys...! )

But again, thank you for your empathy, and I will continue to potter at the edges of your HE worlds as a wistful sightseer...

CALMFillyjonk · 16/01/2008 19:27

FMV this is probably of no help, but I understand that you can get help with tax credits for childminder costs for HE'd kids?

Its a loophole, I think-its there because schooled kids often need some after-school care but I don't think they limit the hours you use?

There is somehwere a list of HE friendly CMs, but it might well be that you could make arrangements with local HErs (a suprising number are also CMs)

If you really really do want to do it-might there be any point posting to the local HE list to see if anyone has any ideas? I am sure that they would welcome you.

And as others have said, HE doesn't have to be 9-3. SO even if you wanted to be structured, you could technically do it outwith those hours.

Sorry if this is utterly useless information for you though.

filthymindedvixen · 16/01/2008 19:36

filly? IS that you??? Are you CALM??? >
Have told dh that if he ever gets a wellpaid job I am takig ds1 out of school and HEdding. The look of total fear on his face was a sight to see....
How many of you HE secondary age children BTW?
There are so many scary factors to consider, but I do yearn towards it.

CALMFillyjonk · 16/01/2008 19:43

lol I am NEVER namechanging again. NEVER. I honestly thought everyone knew I was CALM .

no I am not calm, but I am CALM

Julienoshoes · 16/01/2008 19:48

How many of you HE secondary age children BTW?
ME!
our children were 13, 11 and 8 when they came out 7 years ago.

They have friends locally and all over the country so I literally know loads of HE secondary age children.

I have seen it written, that most of us return our children to school when they get to secondary age-I think that is another myth.
It has been a real pleasure to watch these young people grow up and become successful in their chosen path.

There is a webpage for dads by dads by the way on the EO website
www.education-otherwise.org.uk/Links/HE_Adult_St/EO%20Dads.htm

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