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Japan Planning Thread Part 2

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Takoneko · 11/04/2025 12:59

This is a thread for anyone planning a trip to Japan. All budgets and styles of trip are welcome.

I got so much out of the first thread and would love to be able to continue the conversation with everyone who has been so helpful.

I fly tomorrow morning!

First Thread

Japan planning thread | Mumsnet

I’ve just booked the hotels for my third trip to Japan next year and about to start planning the itinerary in earnest. Japan threads pop up here qui...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/holidays/5152514-japan-planning-thread

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Japandapop · 07/11/2025 17:17

Thank you @Takoneko so much to think about. Every time we start looking we get completely overwhelmed, and it's not like we haven't been already😂

Plan2025 · 07/11/2025 20:57

I'm home now and just about caught up on sleep after being straight back to work and school the day after landing in the UK. We stayed at the sotetsu fresa in Osaka (Namba) and it was very convenient - right next to one of the (many) exits from the main namba station (although that exit/entrance was steps only) but across the road from the main entrance so very easy to get to the airport by train if needed.

I'll start a new post now with the key things we did each day in case that helps anyone reading this sign primary age kids 🙂

Plan2025 · 07/11/2025 21:22

We had around 2 weeks in Japan as a family of 4 with 2 primary age kids and summarising roughly what we did each day in case this is helpful to others planning future trips. Thanks to @Takoneko for letting us know about the eki stamps. We all had books and loved collecting the stamps and it definitely kept the kids motivated as we travelled around the cities.

We flew via Dubai and landed around teatime Japan time in Tokyo. We stayed at the &Here in Ueno in a family room which had a basic kitchenette and plenty of space. We just slept in the 2 double beds but there were also fold out futons on top if needed.

Day 1 (Tokyo)
Ueno park. Asakusa (Sanso-ji temple) and walked across the river to the Asahi HQ bar on 22nd floor.

Day 2 (Tokyo)
Shinjuku and Shibuya
Meiji-Jingu shrine, takeshita street (epic candy floss!). Omoide yokocho for yakitori then back to shibuya for Pokémon centre and shibuya crossing.

Day 3 (Tokyo)
Ginza then teamlab planets (all loved this)

Day 4 (Tokyo)
Skytree, Minato city and Zojo-ji temple then through Ameyoko street in Ueno.

Day 5 (travel to Takayama)
Shinkansen from Ueno to Takayama (via Toyama) - booked the day before and this was a bit too late to all be sat together (we were in front / behind each other so I'd recommend booking a bit sooner than we did).
Stayed in family room at Hotel Wood. It had public baths which kids thought were great and the room had a mezzanine level for sleeping (floor beds).

Day 6 (takayama)
Miyagawa morning markets
Higashiyama walking course
Hida Takayama town museum

Day 7 (takayama)
Day trip to Hida Furukawa by train.
Shawa-kan museum in aTakayama

Day 8 (travel to Kyoto)
Train to Kyoto
Stayed at Hotel Forza triple room.
Nishiki market
Pontocho Alley and walk through Gion

Day 8 (Kyoto)
Arashiyama bamboo forest
Tenryu-ji gardens
Arashiyama monkey park
Ryoan-ji temple and zen garden
Kinkaku-ji temple

Day 10 (Kyoto)
Fushini inari taisha
Tenjuan temple
Nanzen-ji
Gion evening walk

Day 11 (travel to Osaka)
Train to Osaka, stayed at Sotetsu Fresa Inn (namba)
Train to Nara - deer park
Dotonbori and karaoke

Day 12 (Osaka)
Kita /Umeda for shopping
Tsutenkaku and more karaoke...

Day 13 (Osaka)
Sennichimae Doguyasuji shopping street
Kuromon market
Namba parks garden
Nakanoshima museum of art

Late evening flight home via Dubai.

StillSittingInACornerIHaunt · 07/11/2025 22:42

Hi everyone can I join the party?
I'm hoping to go to Japan at Easter 2027, for a big birthday. Me, DP and 2 teens.
We'll have a tight budget but we're used to budget accomodation and cheap eats.
My main thing at the moment is flights. Again budget is a factor here and it looks like doing long haul to china and then smaller plane to Japan from there could be good?
Has anyone ever flown to Japan via China?
We're also wondering about a couple of days in Seoul or Jeju Island - so again I'm wondering about cheaper flights to mainland china and then maybe short hop flights to get us to Japan.
Has anyone done this or looked into it?
Thanks all - I've read the whole thread so far and there's so much brilliant info.

Takoneko · 08/11/2025 07:32

@Plan2025 That sounds like an awesome trip. Glad you enjoyed the stamp collecting.

@StillSittingInACornerIHaunt Welcome to the thread! I’ve not flown via China but I’m certain that there are people on here who have. Japanese budget hotels are generally excellent. We’ve stayed in a Sotetsu Fresa before (not the same one as @Plan2025) and for the price found it to be fantastic value. We’ve booked another one for a couple of days as part of our next trip. Their hotels are often in brilliant locations for public transport.

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Japandapop · 08/11/2025 10:22

Agree about Sotetsu Fresa, we stayed in one in Tokyo and it was great. Loved the abundance of free toiletries and pyjamas, and the staff were lovely.

@StillSittingInACornerIHaunt haven't flown via China, but we did tag Seoul on to the end of our trip. We flew out of Osaka, which was very reasonably priced iirc. It was well worth doing.

LuXun · 08/11/2025 12:48

We did our recent trip to Japan on Hainan Airlines from Edinburgh to Osaka via Beijing. The worst thing about Hainan in Beijing is that they use T2 at PEK, which is functional but probably not a place you want to have a long stopover. The transfer also involves going through a transfer security check (no liquids) which was slower and more chaotic than normal security checks at Chinese airports. If you can find a connection through a decent terminal in China (like T3 at PEK, the new PKX or PVG in Shanghai) I think it would be absolutely fine. Most provincial airports are also good these days.

Most passengers on the flights are Chinese, and the food and entertainment reflects that but the standard is better than it was and it was fine for me. Overall I'd choose it if there's a significant cost and/or time saving.

StillSittingInACornerIHaunt · 08/11/2025 13:57

Thanks all. I've done a fair bit of searching, and chatgpt-ing, and it looks like going via China may not actually be the most economical.
However flights to Osaka (KIX) seem cheaper than into Tokyo by a fair bit.
Having read the thread I'm thinking fly in to Osaka then work out way up to finish in Tokyo.
So that we'll be well acclimatised to the business by Tokyo and able to do most shopping right at the end?

LuXun · 08/11/2025 17:22

One potential advantage of Chinese airlines is the range of connections to Japanese cities they have from Beijing or Shanghai. You can get decent prices for an open-jaw arrangement like London-Beijing-Sapporo on the way out and Fukuoka-Beijing-London on the way back, for example.

Takoneko · 08/11/2025 17:22

@StillSittingInACornerIHaunt We’ve flown into Osaka and out from Tokyo before and it worked well. My advice on shopping is that if you see something you want, buy it. Don’t assume you’ll be able to find it later in the trip, unless it’s something very generic. Tokyo is good for shopping, but there will also be things that you can buy in Osaka than you just won’t see in Tokyo.

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InvalidUserID · 08/11/2025 18:40

Strap in for a long post!

We got back from our trip last week and I have to say that we absolutely loved it and will be booking a flight back to Japan next year very shortly. Apologies in advance for the epic post, and as this will be so long I’ll post separately for advice on the next trip!

Just like at least a couple others from this group, we were on the BA flight back, which was a little bumpy early on. Although BA flight times are pretty good and direct, we won’t be flying BA next time. Service was pretty good on the way out, not so great on the way back. Planes are a little tired (Business Class looked properly shabby in places) and economy seats aren’t exactly roomy. As with most airlines at the moment, the increment being charged for premium economy (~100% additional cost) is pretty hard to justify when paying for a family of 4. The same flights for next year will be released in the next few days, but are looking like £6k including seat booking, or £12k in premium economy vs. £4.6k this year!

We had 14 full days and an afternoon in Tokyo after the flight out, thanks to a 2 week October half term holiday and the kids unfortunately getting “ill” on the last day of term 😉

On the first afternoon, we just spent a few hours wandering around Kappabashi trying to get some daylight to try to manage the worst of jet lag. Definitely worth doing, as after conking out at 7.30pm on the first evening, we managed a more normal bedtime on the second night and 99% onto a normal sleep pattern.

We stayed at Mimaru Ueno Inaricho and we loved the quiet location, which was a 3 min walk or less to Inaricho station on the Ginza line, whilst being ~5 min walk straight down one road to Ueno station and the Yamanote line. There’s a good sized supermarket just around the corner as well as the usual konbini
and a couple of extremely well reviewed restaurants (び び び - bibibi and Bayleaf Kitchen), which we didn’t get to sample due to picky eater children!

We also stayed at a Mimaru in Osaka and that was equally as good whilst substantially cheaper than Tokyo. On @Takoneko ’s recommendation we stayed in Shinsaibashi (Mimaru Shinsaibashi West) and loved that area too. Sort of like the Mayfair of Osaka! Think Harry Winston and Van Cleef jewellers, A. Lange & Söhne and Richard Mille watches, Ferrari and Lamborghini dealers within a few hundred yards! Fantastic location a few mins from Shinsaibashi station on the Midosuji line and 1 min from Yotsubashi station.

Rooms are a great size for families (boys aged 7 and 9 with us) and have useful kitchenettes. Laundry room etc. Not cheap but we’d definitely use them again.

Without going into too much detail, as I’m sure we did a lot of the usual things others have done on a first time trip and this post will be way too long, just a few point from our experience:

  • a week in Tokyo and Osaka worked really well. Only forwarding luggage once (£25 per case) between cities and a good balance of time covering different areas.
  • We got to Senso-ji at 8.30ish as it was quite close by. Perfectly acceptable at that time - plenty of tourists but not bad at all. By the time we looped back around it was midday ish and it was utterly mental. Literally a sea of people solidly along Nakamise St.
  • For anyone who wants a viral Age3 fried cream sandwich, there’s a branch in Asakusa which seem to be waaay quieter than ones I’ve seen on social media
  • There’s some really nice views from the Asakusa tourism centre
  • Dandelion Chocolate in Kuramae has the best hot chocolate I’ve ever had. There can be quite a wait to get in and the chocolate is hilariously expensive but it’s a great little place. Nakamura Tea shop just down the road is nice and the lady who runs it is lovely.
  • Kamakura and Hakone Freepass are both worth it. They keep things simple from a transport perspective. Romance car is probably worth it for Hakone but not Kamakura. Don’t plan a day to visit Hakone, just check for the best weather and chance of seeing Fuji and move the rest of your plans if you can. We managed to get some amazing views with the first snowfall of the season the night before giving it the classic snow cap. The Open Air museum in Hakone is excellent.
  • TeamLab Borderless was really good and worth the money. Just be cautious if you’re easily disoriented.
  • If you’re anything like us, be prepared to spend way more than you’re comfortable with at Loft. Both Ginza and Shibuya stores are great for gift shopping. We had two maximum size cabin cases (55x40x25) inside two larger empty cases. Everything was filled by the time we came home.
  • Shibuya can be a little awkward to navigate near the station due to all the construction.
  • Tokyo station is mad. So utterly massive and filled with people. Shinkjuku is similar. 95% of the time the stations are pretty easy to navigate but sometimes the curvy arrows can confuse things when you’ve got kids in tow and it’s rush hour. Stay calm and it’ll be fine. Google Maps is great for giving you the best exit.
  • Anyone who thinks Osaka is “gritty” needs to find some perspective or drag themselves away from whatever passes as the red light district they’re dwelling in. You might see 3 pieces of litter in a day vs. 1 in Tokyo. It’s not even close to the level of “grittiness” of any UK city you can think of. It’s a fantastic city with a great buzzy feel and probably a better base than Kyoto and cheaper to boot.
  • Osaka aquarium is awesome and definitely worth a visit. Perfect for a rainy afternoon/evening (as it was for us) but go anyway. USJ was crazy busy. Unless you/kids really want to go on rides it can feel like you’ve spent a load to be able to queue up and visit expensive merch shops. Otherwise you need express passes and you’re looking at £500+ for a day out.
  • Kyoto felt comparatively quiet so we may have been lucky. At Arashiyama at 8.30am and it was fine and not particularly busy. You’re not going to get the empty ‘gram shot unless you’re there really early. Gion was fine. Only really busy part was between the Yasaka Pagoda and Ichinenzaka Hill, which was heaving. Even Fushimi Inari at 4pm wasn’t bad.
  • You can happily get a feel for Nara and Uji in one day. Both are lovely places. Kids absolutely loved feeding the deer! There aren’t many places to get crackers if you go up the forest path to Kasugataisha. You need to go across towards Toda-ji, buy some, stick them in your pocket and walk away. Don’t just give your toddler a stack of crackers over that way and leave them on their own, as we saw with one poor little girl. Byodo-in temple in Uji is simply glorious.
  • Himeji is a great little city. Koko-en gardens next to the castle are beautiful.

Lastly, I’d say just accept that plans will change and you’ll miss stuff. The day we went to Shinjuku and Shibuya was very wet and consequently decided that Yoyogi Park, Meiji Jingu and Shinjuku Gyoen gardens just weren’t going to happen. That’ll just have to be next time.

The people we met and interacted with were, without exception, kind, helpful and just all round great human beings. Despite very limited Japanese we never had a problem communicating and Google Translate was kept only to checking ingredients or writing in general.

A fantastic experience which ended far too soon, but we’ll definitely be back. We’ve already got a rough outline for at least the next 3 trips!

InvalidUserID · 08/11/2025 20:13

And now to ask for advice on our next trip!

We’re planning to do the same again next year, so 14 full days with flights tacked on either end. As I said, we’re not going to do BA this time as the price simply isn’t back up by quality. To that end, are there any recommendations?

I’d looked at Emirates premium economy as it looked to be coming in a little over £7k for 4, which is doable, but now looks more like £10k+ as well as the Dubai stop taking it closer to 24 hours in some cases. The premium economy uplift on all airlines seems to be crazy now.

So it looks like it’s down to JAL or ANA in that case. If I remember correctly, @Takoneko sticks to JAL if possible? Do you have experience of the A350 flight as well as the 787 with SkyWider seats? Either way it looks like there’s at least an extra couple inches seat pitch and at least an inch extra width vs. BA in economy. ANA looks to be similar in terms of seats but is a little cheaper. Again, premium economy on either looks to effectively double the price.

Potentially we’re looking to do something Hokuriku Arch-like this time round, so possibly Nagano, Toyama, Kanazawa. We’d obviously like to get Shirakawa-go and Takayama in the trip and it looks like Matsumoto is fairly easy from Nagano. Any other recommendations around that way? Is Kamikochi possible or would Fukui be a good place to visit? Does going on to Osaka and flying back from KIX make sense, although it seems it would probably just be an internal flight back to Tokyo before the international leg?

Alternatives are heading down to Kyushu and visiting Fukuoka, Nagasaki etc. before heading north to Hiroshima, which we missed this time, then on to Okayama and then flying back from Osaka again. Or go north to the Tohoku region and up to Hokkaido, although given the age of our kids we’d probably save that one for when they’re a bit older and can appreciate the nature and scenery a bit more.

I’d love to hear any thoughts on a good itinerary for a second trip to Japan.

Takoneko · 08/11/2025 20:30

@InvalidUserID Your trip sounds like it was fabulous.

We’ve always chosen the 787 SkyWider flights, I think the Airbuses are newer though. We’ve managed to save some money for next year by flying JAL Tokyo-Helsinki and Finnair Helsinki-London on our return leg.

We’re planning on Hokuriku and Tohoku for next year.

We’ll be too early in the year for Kamikochi but we are planning a day in Fukui. We’ll pick up a car at the station and drive out to the dinosaur museum, echizen daibutsu and eiheiji.

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Takoneko · 08/11/2025 20:36

I would really recommend Western Japan though. We spent 5 nights in Hiroshima this April with a rail pass and could happily have spent longer. We visited Fukuoka (and the giant reclining Buddha at Nanzoin), Iwakuni, Miyajima, Okunoshima and Onomichi from there. We also went to Himeji, Kurashiki and Okayama from Osaka. I completely fell in love with western Japan and we will be heading back that way (and to Kyushu) again.

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ginforall · 08/11/2025 20:57

@StillSittingInACornerIHaunt we have recently returned from Japan. We flew with air china from Gatwick with a layover in Shanghai. Flew in and out of Tokyo. We had 2.5 hours stop on the way there and almost 4 hours on the way back. I went for those flights as they were cheap (around £600 each and the price includes seat selection and two checked in bags each). Was around 11 hours to Shanghai and then another 2 and a half to Tokyo. Layover was fine, had to go through security but all went smoothly and we enjoyed a little mooch around the airport on the longer stop. Flights were as comfortable as any other long haul economy I’ve tried. Entertainment was mostly in Chinese but plenty of English films and TV. Food was fine, mostly meat with rice. I’d fly with them again and happily transfer through Shanghai again too.

Sparklinggreen · 09/11/2025 11:55

Japandapop · 07/11/2025 15:27

Hi all, just wondering if anyone could help me decide on places/areas to stay?

Specifically Osaka, where we have three nights, and Tokyo, where we're staying for five nights. Thinking about possibly splitting Tokyo into two stays?

We have actually been to Japan this year, and have booked flights to go back in September as we loved it so much! We stayed in Kitehama (Osaka) this year, and probably looking for something different next time. In Tokyo we were in Shinjuku and would be happy to stay there again, but looking for some more ideas.
Even though we're not long back, we've flummoxed ourselves already about whereabouts to stay next time, so any thoughts are welcome!

Also planning on a stay in Kobe, and Hakone- possibly a ryokan, if anyone has any recommendations? Not planning on doing much in Kyoto this time, perhaps just a day trip.

TIA for any thoughts!

We did Hakone Yutowa and Gora Hanaougi as ryokans in hakone

both were great, gora was bit pricier (but really nice) so we did 1 night in each to average the cost down.

I think it’s worth it if budge allows but yutowa was also very nice too

Japandapop · 09/11/2025 12:06

@Sparklinggreen thank you, I will check those out. Great to have actual recommendations from someone

BlackSwan · 09/11/2025 13:54

We stayed at Musashino Bekkan in Hakone recently. It advertises as 4* but really it's 3. There were things we really loved about it. Our rooms were very spacious and traditional with a gorgeous view. The food was excellent too & the shared onsen were incredible. The service on the whole was very good, though I got some pushback when asking for extra towels (as we hadn't been given towels for all guests but they insisted we had been...). So that was a bit weird. The big black mark for me though was the musty smell in parts of the ryokan and black mould in our plunge onsen room & even in a wardrobe. I would try Gora Hanaougi if I were to go back, depending on price.

Sparklinggreen · 09/11/2025 18:07

Japandapop · 09/11/2025 12:06

@Sparklinggreen thank you, I will check those out. Great to have actual recommendations from someone

You’re very welcome! Hakone is delightful, so peaceful and the onsens are amazinf

Sparklinggreen · 09/11/2025 18:23

InvalidUserID · 08/11/2025 20:13

And now to ask for advice on our next trip!

We’re planning to do the same again next year, so 14 full days with flights tacked on either end. As I said, we’re not going to do BA this time as the price simply isn’t back up by quality. To that end, are there any recommendations?

I’d looked at Emirates premium economy as it looked to be coming in a little over £7k for 4, which is doable, but now looks more like £10k+ as well as the Dubai stop taking it closer to 24 hours in some cases. The premium economy uplift on all airlines seems to be crazy now.

So it looks like it’s down to JAL or ANA in that case. If I remember correctly, @Takoneko sticks to JAL if possible? Do you have experience of the A350 flight as well as the 787 with SkyWider seats? Either way it looks like there’s at least an extra couple inches seat pitch and at least an inch extra width vs. BA in economy. ANA looks to be similar in terms of seats but is a little cheaper. Again, premium economy on either looks to effectively double the price.

Potentially we’re looking to do something Hokuriku Arch-like this time round, so possibly Nagano, Toyama, Kanazawa. We’d obviously like to get Shirakawa-go and Takayama in the trip and it looks like Matsumoto is fairly easy from Nagano. Any other recommendations around that way? Is Kamikochi possible or would Fukui be a good place to visit? Does going on to Osaka and flying back from KIX make sense, although it seems it would probably just be an internal flight back to Tokyo before the international leg?

Alternatives are heading down to Kyushu and visiting Fukuoka, Nagasaki etc. before heading north to Hiroshima, which we missed this time, then on to Okayama and then flying back from Osaka again. Or go north to the Tohoku region and up to Hokkaido, although given the age of our kids we’d probably save that one for when they’re a bit older and can appreciate the nature and scenery a bit more.

I’d love to hear any thoughts on a good itinerary for a second trip to Japan.

Did you consider going Korean air via Seoul? Great service and modern planes. We did it, saved a lot per ticket and got to see Seoul for 2 days on way back, a fun city.

InvalidUserID · 09/11/2025 18:32

@Sparklinggreen (trying not to create huge posts by quoting a quote!) no, we hadn’t this time but doing a stop in Seoul is very much on the list, not least because the 7 year old is rail obsessed and wants to go on the KTX high speed trains in South Korea.

We had also considered doing a reverse Race Across the World route and train down from Seoul to Busan then ferry across to Japan.

I’m going to go and have a look now. How was the legroom in the seats?

MondayYogurt · 09/11/2025 18:33

JAL eco is not far from other PE. You can always try bid for PE/Biz closer to the time.
Route recommendations would depend on what month you’re travelling @InvalidUserID

Sparklinggreen · 09/11/2025 18:38

I don’t remember legroom being an issue, Korean Air was quite good in terms of food, entertainment etc

InvalidUserID · 09/11/2025 18:51

MondayYogurt · 09/11/2025 18:33

JAL eco is not far from other PE. You can always try bid for PE/Biz closer to the time.
Route recommendations would depend on what month you’re travelling @InvalidUserID

Thanks @MondayYogurt. Yeah, JAL seat pitch and width are far better than BA.

We’ll be doing the same as this year, so going out mid-October and coming home on the 31st.

InvalidUserID · 09/11/2025 18:55

Sparklinggreen · 09/11/2025 18:38

I don’t remember legroom being an issue, Korean Air was quite good in terms of food, entertainment etc

Having checked it seems the seat pitch and width on Korean Air are a match for JAL and ANA, so 33-34” pitch and 18” width. Only the JAL 787 SkyWider seats beat that on width.

Coming in at £4k with a 2 day stop in Seoul so very interesting. Only £3.6k for Tokyo return, although the main issue is a 6 hour layover, which is probably a bit much with 2 primary age kids.

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