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Graduate job prospects in this climate

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fluffythecat1 · 25/10/2025 17:39

With a son a couple of years away from university and starting to plan for retirement myself, I’m wondering if it’s worth him getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt and us spending thousands topping up his maintenance loan.

Even Russell Group graduates can’t get jobs, loan figures Even Russell Group graduates can’t get jobs, loan figures show

https://www.thetimes.com/article/dc0dfe40-d062-4518-adf1-13da1535cb72?shareToken=06012ef258709155beca93d5d1038d78

Even Russell Group graduates can’t get jobs, loan figures show

The number paying back student loans has fallen from 57,000 to under 45,000 amid a ‘brutal’ jobs market

https://www.thetimes.com/article/dc0dfe40-d062-4518-adf1-13da1535cb72?shareToken=06012ef258709155beca93d5d1038d78

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OneInEight · 26/10/2025 11:00

ds1 has struggled (First Class STEM Msc). Lots of applications with most not even bothering to acknowledge. Short-listed a few times and down to last 2 a couple of times. Just accepted something temporary to get a bit more relevant work experience onto his CV but not great pay.

He is not getting anywhere fast with the graduate programme schemes most likely he thinks because he has a spiky profile on the online tests - emotion recognition on AI generated faces being his particular nemesis.

fluffythecat1 · 26/10/2025 12:04

OneInEight · 26/10/2025 11:00

ds1 has struggled (First Class STEM Msc). Lots of applications with most not even bothering to acknowledge. Short-listed a few times and down to last 2 a couple of times. Just accepted something temporary to get a bit more relevant work experience onto his CV but not great pay.

He is not getting anywhere fast with the graduate programme schemes most likely he thinks because he has a spiky profile on the online tests - emotion recognition on AI generated faces being his particular nemesis.

Is there a possibility that he has autistic traits? I wonder if they have ‘reasonable adjustments’ for neurodiverse candidates, they should have.

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OneInEight · 26/10/2025 12:10

@fluffythecat1 Got in one there! He claims there is nowhere to state at this stage that you are autistic (this might not be true) as he also, has unfortunately, decided that declaring he is autistic will decrease further his job prospects.

WhatAShewOff · 26/10/2025 12:27

@OneInEight a friends son works at Rolls Royce and she said that there was a lot of crossover between the RR selection questions and autism screening questions. Some employers positively welcome ND candidates because they can have a good fit with the company’s needs and values.

CurlyKoalie · 26/10/2025 13:56

At the moment it doesn't really matter if you are a graduate or an apprentice, there are very few stable full-time jobs in the UK to move on to.
Lots of the big employers, even in STEM areas have a global perspective on employing new recruits.
The massive NI hikes brought in by this government have not made employing British graduates working in UK or offering good UK based apprenticeships a very attractive investment.
The rumoured proposal to increase business tax for business premises in the next budget is going to do nothing to stabilise the situation or encourage start ups based in the UK.
Recent changes to Employment law may benefit workers, but employers find them obstructive and a disincentive to employ more workers.
This government needs to prioritise growth and encourage investment that stays in this country even if this means upsetting their Union backers by compromising on some of the more recent employment legislation and business taxes.
At the moment it is cheaper and less risky for employers to use remote foreign workers or poorly paid interns than invest in the UK workforce.
That needs to change or very few people will have quality jobs in the UK.

cyclingmum67 · 26/10/2025 14:04

@CurlyKoalieagreed. The Level 7 apprenticeship changes introduced by Brigit Phillipson eariler this year also haven't helped - those firms correctly levearging these for their aligned professional training programmes (e.g. chartered accounting) are also likely to reducd graduate headcount

Dery · 26/10/2025 15:59

@7yeardraughtmustchangesoon - i applied for loads of jobs, not just graduate jobs, and got repeatedly knocked back on all of them. And that was despite having lots of experience in shop work, bar work and factory-floor work. I had a very broad approach to my job search.

BUT i agree with you that things do seem even harder now and that is a very sad and troubling thing.

fortyfifty · 26/10/2025 16:47

Graduate prospects, like all job prospects, are certainly a mess and most disheartening for our young people.

However, this seems like a silly click bait article. It doesn't tell us much really with the figures it has quoted. It's given us the decrease in numbers of loans being paid back but not told us the total home student numbers from each year at each university to be able to compare. There could be several other reasons for the decrease.

Perhaps the quality of Russell group students has got worse and recruitment blind policies means the top students from other universities are getting more high paid jobs.

Perhaps the Russell group universities have more students who haven't taken loans out in recent years, or in the case of Imperial, prioritised overseas fees and decreased the number of home students accepted on their courses, so there will be fewer graduating who took a loan.

Or perhaps, since COVID and travel Tik Tok reels, more young people have gone traveling after graduating and aren't in a hurry to settle down. The 2020/2021 A level students typically didn't take gap years as travel was restricted, so might be more burnt out and looking for some different experiences.

Or, perhaps they are in jobs but they are lower paid starting salaries so they haven't started to pay back loans yet, but in a few years they will be okay.

OhDear111 · 28/10/2025 07:58

@Spirallingdownwards Stats for 18 year olds going to university is not 50%. It’s nearer 38%. Plenty have degrees in the workplace - around 50%.

It’s also worth remembering that many degree apprenticeships have a very narrow focus and the vast majority go to existing employees making recruitment of 18 year olds super super competitive. For every JLR recruit, the vast majority get nothing and won’t find anything where they live either. Rural living dc have particular problems - what about transport? Let alone any choice?

It’s not easy did any grads right now. The best advice is to have relevant work experience if you can, or at least some work experience, and work hard on people skills, presentation skills and the best cv the student can muster.

Spirallingdownwards · 28/10/2025 18:10

OneInEight · 26/10/2025 11:00

ds1 has struggled (First Class STEM Msc). Lots of applications with most not even bothering to acknowledge. Short-listed a few times and down to last 2 a couple of times. Just accepted something temporary to get a bit more relevant work experience onto his CV but not great pay.

He is not getting anywhere fast with the graduate programme schemes most likely he thinks because he has a spiky profile on the online tests - emotion recognition on AI generated faces being his particular nemesis.

They will make adjustments and indeed that AI facial expression test is removed for autistic applicants

fluffythecat1 · 28/10/2025 20:11

Spirallingdownwards · 28/10/2025 18:10

They will make adjustments and indeed that AI facial expression test is removed for autistic applicants

Yes, they actually have to according to the Equality Act, otherwise it’s discriminatory against a protected characteristic.

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OneInEight · 29/10/2025 08:51

Thanks. I have passed the information onto ds1 that he absolutely needs to tick the autism box!

fluffythecat1 · 29/10/2025 09:57

OneInEight · 29/10/2025 08:51

Thanks. I have passed the information onto ds1 that he absolutely needs to tick the autism box!

Great! My son has Asperger’s and also has a spiky profile, which can be a challenge because he’s intelligent but still has social and communication issues. I noticed when he did an interview for work experience that he had very ‘flat affect,’ and seemed unenthusiastic, in real life he finds looking people in the eye difficult. It’s important to ask for reasonable adjustments because issues like struggling to interpret faces and the above are directly linked to a ‘disability.’

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Spirallingdownwards · 29/10/2025 19:34

OhDear111 · 28/10/2025 07:58

@Spirallingdownwards Stats for 18 year olds going to university is not 50%. It’s nearer 38%. Plenty have degrees in the workplace - around 50%.

It’s also worth remembering that many degree apprenticeships have a very narrow focus and the vast majority go to existing employees making recruitment of 18 year olds super super competitive. For every JLR recruit, the vast majority get nothing and won’t find anything where they live either. Rural living dc have particular problems - what about transport? Let alone any choice?

It’s not easy did any grads right now. The best advice is to have relevant work experience if you can, or at least some work experience, and work hard on people skills, presentation skills and the best cv the student can muster.

Yes - I referred to them pushing to get 50% + into higher education.

OhDear111 · 29/10/2025 21:01

@Spirallingdownwards Isn’t it now 75%? Of course the definition of HE will be a moveable feast!

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