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Cardiff for economics or Exeter for business studies

66 replies

andwhy · 18/08/2024 09:28

That's it really. My daughter unfortunately slipped one grade and lost her place at Bath. She has to decide by tomorrow between doing economics at Cardiff (her original degree at Bath was to be economics) or to go to Exeter to do business studies. Or she could take a gap year. Just after people's advice/ thoughts really. Thank you

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Tulipvase · 18/08/2024 11:30

My daughter is going to Exeter but a completely different course. As a lay person, Economics seems like a better degree to me and I’d prob choose that at Cardiff over Business Studies at Exeter.

DragonFly98 · 18/08/2024 11:32

andwhy · 18/08/2024 11:03

Thank you, and yes I agree about enjoyment. We are trying to help her decide what is the better academic decision to make. Only choosing between those because they have space and she sort of knows them. If we start looking at everything that's available it just gets to overwhelming!

I see I would definitely go with Cardiff and the economics degree there would be no doubt in my advice if it was one of my dd's. Hope she is happy whatever she decides.

lastdayatschool · 18/08/2024 11:32

Which city could she see herself living in for 3/4 years ?

Exeter is effectively a lovely, provincial town with everything in walking distance, good weather in summer, beaches nearby, a beautiful campus; albeit with limited social/nightlife offerings, not much diversity, and quite a long way from other places - Bristol is next closest city 1 hour by train away

Cardiff is a capital city with more social opportunities, a city centre university where you'll probably need to use buses, taxis etc to get to/from halls.

Cardiff is the cheaper city of the two l, especially for student rentals.

I love them both - my DS chose Exeter and loves it there, his GF chose Cardiff and loves it too.

dbeuowlxb173939 · 18/08/2024 11:35

Cardiff for Economics. Better uni and degree

trader21c · 18/08/2024 11:40

andwhy · 18/08/2024 09:52

She has visited Exeter but not Cardiff. She has looked at the courses but it all feels such a rush. We have spoken to school, they have said a resit is not worth doing / wasting a year for one grade. Gap year is just a thought so that she doesn't have to rush this decision now.

All I can say is DD loved Cardiff great city to be a student in and lovely university

lastdayatschool · 18/08/2024 11:42

dbeuowlxb173939 · 18/08/2024 11:35

Cardiff for Economics. Better uni and degree

Justification for being a better uni ?

Piggywaspushed · 18/08/2024 11:45

andwhy · 18/08/2024 10:30

I feel school were implying that Exeter (Bristol and Bath) were better than Cardiff, so suggested looking at other courses there, but there's not much available. Also the grades for economics are higher at Exeter, it was in her original top 3, so we just therefore assumed it was thought of as better than Cardiff.

That probably just snobbery based on name and cachet. Private school?

Cardiff is Russell Group. They are both good courses and universities for clearing.

Exeter seems lovely but potentially a bit overrated. Cardiff can be underrated conversely.

I'd argue an economics degree has more intrinsic value depending on plans beyond degree.

Piggywaspushed · 18/08/2024 11:46

Is she really good at maths?

stainnotagain · 18/08/2024 11:55

Going against the grain here… As an economics graduate myself, I realised a lot of good grad jobs were just as happy to take my peers who had done business studies - it felt frustrating at the time, as I do feel that Econ is the more difficult of the two!

Some of my Econ class did sidestep into data science or other more technical jobs/further education - so it does open more doors - but for the classic banking, consulting, etc. type stuff, I don’t think it’s as much of a comparative advantage as people think.

This was 10 years ago. I’ve worked in the City since, and regularly look through CVs for fresh grads - we get a selection from HR. I have to say that it’s far more common to see Exeter graduates on the HR shortlists than Cardiff graduates.

Not saying this is a reflection of the quality of the education, or that people should be aiming for a City job to begin with, or that HR are right to make this selection - just that there appears to be a slight bias in my industry. That said, it could also be a self-selection bias on the students’ side.

Prenelope · 18/08/2024 12:00

Aren't Business and Economics completely different degrees and subjects?

The Business centre at Exeter is very nice - that's the sum total of my knowledge.

SouthgatesWaistcoat · 18/08/2024 12:12

As pp said, economics and business studies are 2 completely different subjects so she needs to look at course content and see which subject she prefers.

Cardiff is a very good and well thought of uni, as a recruiter I would not think it was 'worse' than Exeter.

She needs to pick somewhere where she lives the course and location. A year out might help her look at and visit some different options. Applying with grades in hand she'd get unconditional offers and be first in the queue for accommodation as well.

clary · 18/08/2024 12:56

I agree with those who say surely the good option is her original subject choice - that's what she wanted to do. Plus I imagine that economics has better employment outcomes than business <disclaimer; not my subject area>

Cardiff is RG and a well respected university in a great city which is also a capital city with the benefits that brings. I see others say similar. A no brainer I would say if the only concern is the relative ranking of Cardiff.

PerpetualOptimist · 18/08/2024 13:42

I am assuming U of Bath was your DD's insurance or that her firm and insurance offers were for the same grades? I flag as, if she has rejected an insurance place, it is worth her reflecting on why that was the case; it might help inform the decisions she now faces.

I can imagine the general student experience at Exeter would not be dissimilar to U of Bath, and that might be where school is coming from (if we are to be generous). I know all the locations mentioned well and work alongside grads from all unis mentioned; U of Cardiff is a good uni and sometimes underrated without rational basis on these threads. The overall experience at Cardiff is likely to be different (but certainly not worse) than that at Bath or Exeter and your DD needs to consider whether that opens up new opportunities that she can look forward to and embrace.

Business is a related, but different degree to Econ; it is typically less quantitative and more focused on internal corporate workings. Economics will cover policy, macro-economics as well as the micro; so it is not a simply 'near substitute'. This is where, I think, your DD's school is not being particularly helpful.

I think @Penguinsa makes a good point, that courses like Econ & Finance and Econ & Management at, for example, U of Bristol have typical offers of AAA, so taking a gap year allows the opportunity to look at courses that retain a high Econ component and is offered to students presenting with AAA. It also allows attendance of a fresh round of Open Days, now from a different and more informed perspective.

Good luck to your DD and hope she is able to regroup and move on with a positive plan of action.

Hughs · 18/08/2024 14:00

Cardiff is a capital city with more social opportunities, a city centre university where you'll probably need to use buses, taxis etc to get to/from halls.

No - it's all walkable. Cardiff is a great uni, a great city to be a student and economics is a better degree than business imo. Plus it's presumably what she actually wants to study. It's a pretty easy decision I think.

If you were thinking of switching to do business at Exeter instead of economics at a very low ranked uni, maybe fair enough, but going to Cardiff won't close any doors and students typically love it.

lastdayatschool · 18/08/2024 14:29

@Hughs No - it's all walkable I guess it depends on how far you're willing to walk. Sons GF was at far end of Talybont halls and definitely did not/would not walk in/out of lectures every day

Hughs · 18/08/2024 14:35

lastdayatschool · 18/08/2024 14:29

@Hughs No - it's all walkable I guess it depends on how far you're willing to walk. Sons GF was at far end of Talybont halls and definitely did not/would not walk in/out of lectures every day

I guess so, and maybe which dept - but even Taly Gate is only about 30 mins walk from eg the law building, which is right in the middle of it all. DS is a big walker and had a similar commute (not in Cardiff) but maybe that's too far for some.

redtrain123 · 18/08/2024 14:40

lastdayatschool · 18/08/2024 11:32

Which city could she see herself living in for 3/4 years ?

Exeter is effectively a lovely, provincial town with everything in walking distance, good weather in summer, beaches nearby, a beautiful campus; albeit with limited social/nightlife offerings, not much diversity, and quite a long way from other places - Bristol is next closest city 1 hour by train away

Cardiff is a capital city with more social opportunities, a city centre university where you'll probably need to use buses, taxis etc to get to/from halls.

Cardiff is the cheaper city of the two l, especially for student rentals.

I love them both - my DS chose Exeter and loves it there, his GF chose Cardiff and loves it too.

This. What city does she like the sound of more, and which course appeals to her more, in terms of course content etc. Aldo , distance from home, ease if getting to and from place etc? Is she a city gal (Cardiff ) or a town girl (Exeter) ?

Bigfatsquirrel · 18/08/2024 14:48

Is it the Streatham campus or Penryn campus for Exeter ?

Cardiff has a lot of courses in clearing which would tell me it's not that popular despite the good arguments made on this thread. Why is that ? Exeter in contrast has mainly Penryn campus courses in clearing.

Business vs economics - for technical city jobs economics would be preferred but otherwise for most jobs/grad schemes a good business degree is perfectly good. Getting some good evidence of work experience and a work ethic makes more of a difference than the subject studied.

coolcahuna · 18/08/2024 14:50

Economics at Cardiff. We've just visited for my son for next year and it's excellent.

lastdayatschool · 18/08/2024 14:52

@Hughs - yes, that would be about 20 minutes too far, I suspect, for both the GF and DS lol.

Both play University level sport (water polo, cardiff and rugby, exeter) but don't do walking.

Kudos to your son - a great way to stay fit and a money saver too.

Exeter campus/city is very walkable, albeit very hilly.

Both great universities and lovely cities to live in.

Angrymum22 · 18/08/2024 14:58

Cardiff is a great Uni having visited it recently. DS applied to do Business there this year having opted for a gap year he didn’t have the exact grades but was offered a place.

However, he had also applied for a wild card course at Cardiff Met ( course is not available at most RG/top unis at undergraduate level usually only as MSc) and has totally changed direction. He can still go back to business at MSc level if he wants but the course he has chosen is vocational. It won’t lead to a super high salary but it will facilitate travel post graduate.

My Dniece has just graduated from Cardiff, she took her A levels ( or rather didn’t ) in 2020, realised her choice of Uni had been based entirely on where her friends were going and went into clearing, picking up a place at Cardiff which was far better than her insurance Uni. She spent a yr out with a global company and is now doing her MSc this coming year at Cardiff. She didn’t get the job she wanted because she lacked the MSc despite being short listed with those that did. So hopefully she will be successful in the future. Her first yr was spent locked up in halls, she was lucky that she was allowed on campus due to lab time needed. I think she is looking forward to an extra year as a normal student after her first two years were during the pandemic.

A gap year is a great time for them the take a break from education, learn a bit about life. Earn some money, DS is currently earning £500-700 a week labouring for a friend’s dad’s building firm. He has learned how to dry wall and lay floors, use various power tools and is on the books so can work during future breaks from uni.

My other niece worked for one of the big breweries in her gap year, did a management course and is now on their books for relief management. She has since graduated and worked in her chosen field but still does the odd shift for extra money. Where ever she ends up settling she can pick up shifts.

Building up a network during a gap year can be a valuable asset. Any part time work usually requires some experience so working in a gap year gives you an advantage.
Over 30% of DS’s year (2023) have taken a gap year. Mostly because they were the cohort that had so much disruption to their exams. When DS finished his exams last year I asked him how he felt about them. His answer was, “ I’m just relieved that they didn’t cancel them” I hadn’t even considered this but having been the year whose GCSEs were cancelled, an unprecedented move, it was probably their main concern. Also they were all annoyed about the dramatic return to pre 2020 grade boundaries. I do think that a more graduated approach would have been kinder for 2023 and 2024 because the elevated grade offers haven’t come down, the reason why so many unis went into clearing.

DS also had extenuating circumstances, the older wiser him now no longer attributes his grades to his situation at 6th form but accepts that he was complacent and lazy. He could have caught up, and did manage to elevate DDE mocks to BBB but was capable of much more. I disagree, I was diagnosed with cancer two weeks before he started yr12 and his DF had a stroke 6 months later. I defy any 17 yr old to manage the anxiety he must have gone through during yr12. His mental health was very low in yr11, he was devastated when the GCSEs were cancelled, as he said “all that work for nothing”. He was actually contemplating suicide and got as far as writing a note. Breaking the news that I had cancer was fraught because he was still very fragile at that point. However, it seems to have the opposite effect and he is now in a much better place. He is adulting well and no longer teenage navel gazing. He had to grow up quickly and is no longer a “why me?”.

There is no rush. Support your daughter in whatever decision she makes. DS was a bit wobbly last yr thinking he’d missed the boat but is better prepared to leave home now and far happier with his choice.

Bobbotgegrinch · 18/08/2024 15:05

Definitely economics at Cardiff.

Presumably Doing Econ rather than Bus Studies is her preference. And having lived in both Cardiff and Exeter as a young person, she'll have far more fun in Cardiff.

Angrymum22 · 18/08/2024 15:09

Oh and a big bonus ( according to DS) Cardiff has a brilliant John Lewis and an Ikea. He is a snob when it comes to clothing ( would fit right in at Exeter) but a bargain basement’s when it comes to stuff. He did ban me from Lidl until recently.
If your daughter is privately educated she will fit right in at Exeter. DS has a lot of friends there, but just as many of his year are at Cardiff. We live in the south Midlands so both are good location wise. Bath and Bristol are also popular. Exeter is defo Schoffel and Ralph Lauren though.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 18/08/2024 15:21

I went to Exeter and it’s very much a student city; had the time of my life and loved being so close to so many beaches and moors.

lastdayatschool · 18/08/2024 15:39

@Angrymum22 - lol, love your lazy stereotyping of Exeter students.

And, just in case it makes a difference to the OP's daughter's decision, just want to call out that Exeter also has a John Lewis and an IKEA.