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University Academic Appeal - Has anyone gone through this?

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universitylife · 23/05/2022 15:27

Has anyone gone through an academic appeal with a university in England (not sure if that may make a difference) please?

I'm just posting this on behalf of a relative. It's being considered to appeal once final results are released in the Summer on the grounds of challenging a previous mitigating circumstances decision, with such circumstances not being fully considered at the time. The university were aware of the circumstances with the student having quite severe anxiety and whilst the relevant teams had put in 'support', other university issues still went unresolved with studies being online still. The student has since had a meeting with a Doctor who has suggested that a separate reason behind the circumstances may also be neurodivergent related but this is still being looked at and is only preliminary until the other issues are addressed. This has obviously been quite a shock having not been considered before and does shine a new light on the situation before. The university union have offered advice and think this is the best route to consider but having never done this before, it feels rather daunting.

The uncertainty of raising this hasn't also been helped by the outcome from a complaint made last year, on advice of the academic complaints team. Whilst this was associated with similar circumstances, it had been recommended to go down this route first as this could be started prior to results being released. As it was a complaint and not an appeal, the complaint related to procedures as opposed to decisions made, however this was not upheld and this makes the current situation with a prospective appeal more uncertain, with concerns this may go a similar route.

It's being considered to involve a Solicitor or similar, would this be recommended? Does anyone have any advice please?

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bottleofbeer · 24/05/2022 14:15

Yes to Goodthinkingmax.

I ended up with a merit at MSc, I fell down on one module. It caused me to miss to distinction by 1.8%

I'd been bereaved but the work I did, despite shit circumstances could only be graded on the quality of what I submitted.

They can't inflate your grade because you were having a shit time when you produced it. They have to grade to certain standards.

poetryandwine · 24/05/2022 14:21

Brilliantly put, @GoodThinkingMax .

universitylife · 24/05/2022 18:32

Thank you, apologies if I miss things here, there’s a lot to read from all the replies.

@StinkyWizzleteets I’m unsure what happened and so are the university. We understand it is potential human error but this has never been addressed by the university directly, only that it was to be followed up but they’ve heard no more. It was a total loss of access to the system, not able to login, no timetable, as if they weren’t registered. Not associated with internet or computer access.

When we look for the regulations, will that help with looking for where the grounds for appeal may lie?

We’re not suggesting they mitigate for a later diagnosis at all, it’s just that is an additional diagnosis that potentially could contribute to the stress of the overall situation. Also could explain the overwhelm with the situation, it is different to the existing diagnosis. Yes, they gave a mitigation with the extension however this was also over the same two week period that the examinations occurred that were successful on mitigation and where the circumstances had deteriorated, which is why the mitigating circumstances application was made with appropriate evidence. Neither the assessment with the declined mitigating circumstances or the examinations were sat, both were recorded as absent/missing I believe.

They did highlight these issues prior to the mitigating circumstances being applied for or even extensions before that, I’ve seen the correspondence and this was definitely the case. None of this is because they've looked at grades and are hoping for inflation, there was nothing to look at. The circumstances were more significant during the exam period and this was only raised after the examinations/assessment because that’s when the university request mitigating circumstance applications are put forward. It wasn’t to do with grades, there was nothing to grade, it was that the circumstances were not adequately considered considering the same application was granted for examination assessments but not for the assessments that had been granted extensions. They requested a first attempt at all assessments affected. I understand all learning was online except seminars. The computer access was specialised facility offered by the disability team.

@zippy It was flagged at the time but the assessment didn’t occur until a couple of weeks later. It set them back as they were unable to access any resources/seminars and missed live help sessions because of the access. The time when the seminar assistant runs through assessment/examples that they’d been expected to do prior could not be done as they were without access. No clarification how this happened, just ‘human error’ on the university’s part. It was just them on that programme, they were removed from the sites, not their error at all.

@Notrainagain They have taken time before but it is as a result of the ongoing communication difficulties, university’s disregard to concerns raised that have contributed to this. They have consulted relevant professionals to do with their health that have stated this, this has not come from them. They are unable to take further time out from the degree now. I understand I’m likely to be supportive of them but I agree. They are more than capable of working in real world situations, they already work alongside their degree but the hassle from the university and changes with Covid etc I think would unsettle most.

@poetryandwine They had support prior to Covid but when Covid hit this was disrupted. It wasn’t set up until after the first term, after Covid hit.

They were hot on the university commitments, the IT access issues were not their error. They believe they are capable with the right support and just being left to getting on with it. The meetings they were advised before would help, did not. When they had concerns these were dismissed by the member of staff present, instead being raised in emails and it taking more time to chase on their behalf. I would tired if that was me! Their grades also suggest they can do it, it’s just this decision on the circumstances that has set them back.

The private support is something they do not have much choice with. They've done it as the waiting list for the NHS is nearly a year and they have needed medical evidence to support the varying applications as above.

It also makes it difficult to think of returning for them as a decision is probably not likely to be given over the Summer and if it isn't upheld is it worth continuing? If the modules remained capped, of which there is currently 3 or 4 I understand, whether this is worth continuing with the degree and enormity of the debt that remains if they don't have anything to show for it. I understand they would still have another year of assessments on top of this and the grading could be worked to get the best grade but they feel it may be a waste of time or the overall disappointment may prove too much to continue doing their best on the remaining time/assessments.

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GoodThinkingMax · 24/05/2022 18:54

@universitylife I don’t think you need to explain any more to us. You obviously can’t talk about specifics and we’ve given you a range of advice and information which I hope helps your student.

you need to take the emotion out of it - you don’t need to justify your actions or those of your student to us. But you do need to untangle the narrative because several of us have commented on how your understandable concerns have muddled things.

make a factual timeline

read up on the university regs for your student’s cohort. This will be the first year of enrolment

talk these through with your student

and then try to back off. Your student really needs to do this themselves. They will have to write the appeal and talk to the SU

Your support might be best placed trying to calm your student down so they have a clear narrative of the facts and a sense of an ideal outcome.

id refer you back to several posts which advise taking the emotion out of this.

Notrainagain · 24/05/2022 18:56

@universitylife Sorry to hear of all the circumstances surrounding the student’s time at university. It’s a positive that they have been able to work.

It’s impossible really for anybody to properly advise on here. The student’s Union representative really should be helping to complete the academic appeal form if they believe there is an appeal to be made.

Do you think it is in the student’s best interest to continue? There may be a case for extending the allowable break considering all of the factors. The academic regulations do usually specify a degree needs to be completed within x number of years with a maximum time allowed to take a break in studies but I have seen this extended beyond the times specified, when appeals have been successful.

It just seems from what you have written that the student is not in the best place to complete all of this years work and complete next year unscathed. Have they achieved any results in year 2? They may be able to leave with an exit award so their time hasn’t been wasted or possibly transfer credits in the future to another institution.

I really think they need to prioritise their health for now but that’s a decision they need to make. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I do hope they get the outcome they want.
Sometimes, student’s access is cut due to fees not being paid, did they make sure their finance was in place and fees paid on time? Otherwise, the cut in access seems quite unusual, somebody must have restored it. If it was genuinely out of their control, they should highlight the impact this had on them.

poetryandwine · 24/05/2022 19:02

OP,

If your student was removed from the system and the reason for this was not their fault, that is indeed a uni error that would feed into an anxiety diagnosis. But all these words later I am still unclear as to what has happened, even though I have wide experience of reading appeals documents and a PhD in a highly analytical subject.

I appreciate that some universities have not served their students well during COVID, and that things have been particularly bad for students with special needs. But I think that you are still muddling the situation, possibly although not necessarily because you don’t have the full story from your student. I wish you both well but I really have nothing else to offer. (Please note that nowhere have I doubted your student’s inherent ability. But the picture of snowballing stress you have presented is one that every academic who works with UGs knows well. The last post from @GoodThinkingMax is truly brilliant.)

bottleofbeer · 24/05/2022 20:43

Student finance will also take this into consideration and offer finance for longer than usual.

Take time out, uni is hard work. You are not going to fulfil your potential with so much shit going on.

It is NOT worth your mental health. It's just not. Uni cannot help much with this but time out and finance backing really can help.

I cried, I threw things at the wall, I stayed in bed for days just contemplating assignments and I didn't have these issues going on. And I'm in my 40s.

GoodThinkingMax · 24/05/2022 21:01

It is NOT worth your mental health. It's just not. Uni cannot help much with this but time out and finance backing really can help.

This is really sound advice from @bottleofbeer

Sometimes, with the best will in the world (and it sounds as though your student has had tutors trying to help) a student is just not in the place where it's possible to study. All the mitigations and special arrangements in the world can't allay a mental illness.

bottleofbeer · 24/05/2022 21:10

You know, I used to watch these brave, brave 18 year old students. Moving far from home, learning to manage finances and general living and I was in awe of them. I couldn't have done it.

It's also such a different way of learning.

They give you the bones, you have to flesh it out. Nobody is holding your hand.

It's hard, and yet we still hear that we are handed classifications on a silver plate.

Take time out if you need it.

GoodThinkingMax · 24/05/2022 23:06

I'm not quite sure we should frame what university students do as "brave" - it's a natural step to move away from home at the end of one's teen years, and most relish it. Of course, it's a challenge, but it's only by doing things which we find hard & difficult do we learn.

But it is too soon for some.

However, I think that the issues around anxiety start far earlier. Our children & young people are tested almost to exhaustion, and compared to each other both individually and in groups (SATs, league tables and so on). It isn't good or healthy.

bibliomania · 26/05/2022 10:30

I can only answer from my university's perspective, but if the student is asking for resits to be uncapped or a late cap to be removed, the question to be considered is what was happening at the time of the original assessment. Don't throw the kitchen sink at it and rehearse all your woes ever - if the panel is looking at the eg. the March assessment for module A, it won't care about other modules and other time periods.

Keep it short, clear, factual and provide evidence. "I'm asking for the late cap to be removed/the first attempt to be set aside because of xxxx that was affecting me at the point of submission".

There's no harm in trying an appeal, but it's best if it can be done without attaching huge emotional weight from the student's perspective. Most of the time it won't affect the degree classification because it's so diluted by all the modules, including the ones done in final year. They could be unlucky if they were just on the cusp of a higher class, but in that case they were marginal and couldn't be said to obviously deserve the higher class.

I'd suggest avoiding statements like they'll leave the university if they don't get it or that they'll be emotionally damaged if the appeal doesn't succeed - these don't help at all and just look like an attempt at emotional blackmail.

It's extremely rare for a solicitor's involvement to increase the chances of success. In my experience, appeal panels do want to be fair and you're better off trying to make a case for this rather than taking a more combative approach.

poetryandwine · 26/05/2022 14:59

Well said, @bibliomania. I agree 100% with your practical advice and of course your views on appeals panels.

I think at this point some of us do wonder whether there are real concerns about the student’s MH.

Whenever there are health concerns, I almost always think that a break to regain your health so you can come back to uni and finish strong (or even start again elsewhere, in rare cases) is the best way forward. Earlier @GoodThinkingMax and I were saying how sad it is to watch students limp along to lesser results than they are capable and worthy of, having little fun in the process. I thought the OP was reporting honestly on the student’s indecision, which I took as a sign of stress.

universitylife · 26/05/2022 20:18

Thank you again for the replies.

They haven't asked for my advice, I just wanted to see if others had any experience with something similar and if there is something we could aim for. They are very much working on managing this themselves. Can a timeline be included in the application alongside a written document? This was thought of previously. The strikes have also affected every year of study so far bar Covid. This leads in part to the assessment challenges too but appreciate this could be just prior to Covid. Could this be included in the timeline as it is relevant to one module?

@Notrainagain They have achieved some 'good' results but others have now been postponed until the new academic year. They do want to continue but it's just whether they have the confidence and above all, feel able to if the appeal is still outstanding when they are due to return. It wasn't an explanation of the situation, I'm going to answer the questions raised, I just want advice on what I can say but appreciate it can be confusing.

The fees were paid for my Student Finance, no issues there. The loss of access was a fault in the process of registering by the university. This was a loss of access for a few days but as one poster had said previously, it is a snowball effect and to catch up already when term hasn't be running for long was a challenge they didn't need.

They don't want to take any further time out. They want to get their degree and I'll support them with that. Private support will be arranged ad hoc if needed.

@bibliomania That's helpful. The comments regarding leaving the university were an honest question they have asked, it wasn't to be used in the appeal. They want to know is a transcript with a mix of marks from Year 1 (disrupted due to Covid) and potential impact of capped modules worth more than leaving and transferring to an alternative university that may not have the same reputation or offer similar opportunities post graduation and the transcript will still show the previous grades? They feel that as so much has been given already financially is it worth pursuing the degree from the current university, given it is what they know/are aware of and would just like to know the outcome before they return. Given they don't reply to emails, which the union support, I doubt this will happen.

The modules are sadly weighted double than the others, 40/60 in one term so will have an impact. They calculated to get an average of a 2:1 overall for the degree, they'd need high 2:1s/1sts, which puts them under pressure more so. If this didn't happen, I think it could do more damage coming out with a grade that doesn't reflect their ability. I say this as that as it has been said by the university too.

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GoodThinkingMax · 27/05/2022 01:06

Can a timeline be included in the application alongside a written document?

I was suggesting a timeline for you and your student, to get the FACTS clear and distinct from all your emotion and all the extraneous explanations.

NOT to submit along with the appeal, but to help the student write the appeal. It may be that the clarity I hope you might achieve by a timeline will help with constructing an appeal.

Because frankly - and I'm going to be harsh here to try to get you to understand - if you or your student submitted anything like your posts on this thread, it would be pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to discern
a) what is being asked for
b) the grounds of the appeal

I suspect this is why an academic had your student repeat the information given to him/her. Because there's so much baggage, muddle & confusion coming with this! Each time you post, it gets more confused.

And I do wonder what you're not being told by your student ...

COVID adjustments should have been universal - they were at my institution and all of this year every student has had the option of a week's extension on any and all assessments, bar exams. It's been a nightmare for markers

So I doubt, unless there is a specific learning agreement based on DDA required reasonable adjustments, that your student will get further mitigation on COVID grounds.

But you both need to sit down and work out step by step what happened as the grounds for an appeal, based on what the regulations specific to his university allow.

universitylife · 27/05/2022 06:26

@GoodThinkingMax That’s fine, they can do that. I’m sure you’ll appreciate that posting about something like this on a forum would be a different construct to that of an academic appeal. The appeal will not appear as several forum posts.
From my previous post I explained the academic asked the student to repeat the ‘new’ processes back to them, this was prior to the issues occurring and not associated with the applications.

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