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Guest post: “The aim of my Bill is to stop women facing the criminal courts for decisions about their own bodies”

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 17/10/2018 10:26

Imagine finding out that your 15-year-old daughter is pregnant and that her abusive partner has threatened to ‘kick the baby out and stab it if it is born’. Imagine feeling like you have no other option but to buy your daughter abortion tablets online. Imagine seeking support for her from your family doctor concerning the abusive relationship - not the abortion. And then imagine facing a potential prison sentence for trying to help your daughter access medical care and treatment which is denied to her by the government.

Or, imagine how Denise felt when she was told midway through her pregnancy that her baby had Edwards Syndrome and wouldn’t survive. Very ill and unable to travel, Denise was forced to continue with her pregnancy. She was repeatedly asked about her baby and her due date and this, she says, left her feeling tortured. ‘Every minute, every second of the day - you have to live with the knowledge that the child inside you is going to die.’

Emma was just 18 years old when she found out at 20 weeks that her baby had anencephaly and wouldn’t survive. She couldn’t face traveling to England for an abortion because she wanted to be surrounded by her family. She had to continue the pregnancy to term, and was eventually induced to give birth to her stillborn daughter.

These are three real life examples of what women in Northern Ireland face under the current law on abortion, which dates back to 1861. Abortion is underpinned by the oldest legal framework of any healthcare treatment and the law is out of date and certainly unfit for purpose when dealing with advances in women’s healthcare and society.

To be clear, if any woman uses abortion tablets bought over the internet in England or Wales she too is committing a criminal offence, punishable by life imprisonment, due to a law that’s nearly 160 years old. It’s often the most vulnerable women who find it difficult to access termination services and who will resort to buying online.

Women on Web, a doctor-led online medical service, says that 16% of women cite domestic or ‘honour’ violence, and 8% intimate partner violence, as reasons for seeking help on the internet. Often women impregnated by rape are prevented from accessing contraception by their abusers. If they do seek an abortion, women made pregnant through rape can face the possibility of a tougher criminal punishment than the perpetrator – the real criminal.

Whether in Belfast, Bangor or Bath, women need a modern, humane, properly regulated medical regime that encourages and supports women to come forward to access the best professional advice and treatment - not drive them, scared and isolated, into the unregulated market of pills obtained over the internet.

A Victorian law based on misogynist stigma was always wrong. In the internet age it’s also ineffective. I believe that it’s time to stop women in England, Wales and particularly Northern Ireland from being criminalised for accessing what is essentially healthcare.

The 1967 Abortion Act gave a route for women in England and Wales to access abortion care, setting out specific exemptions and conditions under which an abortion can take place legally. These included the need for signatures from two doctors agreeing, for example, that termination is necessary to prevent permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman.

The 1967 Act, however, has never applied to Northern Ireland.

This June, the Supreme Court agreed that Northern Ireland’s current abortion laws breach women’s human rights

That’s why I’m introducing a Bill this month, supported by MPs from five Westminster parties, to decriminalise abortion across England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It has the backing from top professional bodies, such as the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists and the Royal College of Midwives; and human rights groups such as Amnesty International.

With the Northern Ireland Assembly not sitting since January 2017, the Westminster Parliament now has a duty to act. UK politicians shouldn’t look the other way while vulnerable women in Northern Ireland, often in desperate circumstances, have their human rights breached.

Polling released on 10th October 2018 by Amnesty International shows that 65% of people in Northern Ireland believe that access should be decriminalised ‘by removing the criminal penalty for women who have abortions’.

My Bill would ensure that up to 24 weeks, women and clinicians would no longer be subject to the criminal law. However, decriminalisation wouldn’t mean the deregulation of abortion services. Instead, it would mean more effective regulation.

The existing vast body of law and professional standards governing medical procedures would be in play to ensure safe and effective termination services. So, for example, it would remain a crime to offer abortion services without being registered to do so, while anyone supplying the medication needed for a medical abortion without a legal prescription would breach the Human Medicines Regulations 2012.

My Bill will also strengthen protection for women. Anyone - an abusive partner for example - who ends a pregnancy against a woman’s wishes through violence, or administering abortion pills without the woman’s knowledge, would be subject to a life sentence. My Bill also protects those doctors and nurses who conscientiously object to abortion and this right would be extended to Northern Ireland.

The aim of my Bill is simple: to stop women facing the criminal courts for decisions about their own bodies.

You can show support for women in Northern Ireland like those at the start of this article by e-mailing your MP and asking them to back my Bill: nowforni.uk/take-action/.

OP posts:
BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2018 02:29

Excellent bill and much needed
I hope it goes through.

Charliethefeminist · 18/10/2018 05:34

It's so shocking that it's needed, that it hasn't already been legislated.

Neshoma · 18/10/2018 10:39

Diana, It is great you are starting this but really NI is so far removed from Hull that I think you should focus on issues closer to home. Hull is a north/western town with high crime, unemployment etc etc. I would be very upset if you were my MP focusing on issues that don't effect my community.

UpstartCrow · 18/10/2018 12:00

Thank you RustyParker and Sashkin, yes I have made peace with it now.

Its crazy that The British Isles does not have set standards of legislation for something as important as health care.

PopUpAd · 18/10/2018 13:55

@Neshoma

**Hull is a North/Eastern town

TalkingintheDark · 18/10/2018 15:26

Thank you. You have my wholehearted support too. The current situation is scandalous and indefensible.

Neshoma · 18/10/2018 16:14

@Popup ....and? I waas trying to say it's the far side of the country - furthest away from NI as you can get really. She should focus on issues closer to home. Im sure an MP in NI doesn't think to get involved in issues regarding northern towns.

UpstartCrow · 18/10/2018 16:23

Thats not how human rights work, Neshoma. Either everyone in the country has them or its our business to make sure they get them.

Piccalillisnooze · 18/10/2018 17:59

As a Northern Irish woman I’m incredibly grateful to Diana and to ALL UK and Irish women who lift up theirs voices to help us escape from the medieval treatment of the women in the province. THANK YOU!

Bombardier25966 · 18/10/2018 19:00

Good old Neshoma and her faux outrage at all things Labour. I'm sure the people of Hull will be pleased to know they've moved to the northwest!

This is a brilliant cause, thanks to Diana Johnson for taking it on.

powershowerforanhour · 19/10/2018 00:13

My local MP is Jeffrey Donaldson. Anti Good Friday Agreement, anti abortion, anti a lot of things. ( though his daughter isn't, good on her):
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/jeffrey-donaldsons-daughter-a-leading-campaigner-for-abortion-reform-36995871.html

Anyway, more chance of the Ashers making a big gay rainbow cake than him ever changing his mind.

As I await the results of my Harmony test (which cost £480...practically double what it costs in England according a friend across the ditch, presumably because there's so little competition)....

....thank you, Diana. I don't care if you're from Hull, Darkest Peru or Timbuktu. Thank you, sister.

powershowerforanhour · 19/10/2018 00:41

An interesting fact about my MP: he once claimed £555 on expenses for pay per view hotel movies. But they were Definitely Not Porn. He released a statement saying so, so it must be true. DUP members never lie and are all pure as the driven snow when it comes to expenses and boilers and suchlike. Totally moral people, all of 'em.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 19/10/2018 08:58

done, thank you for doing this

i'm like my MP's crazy stalker these days

Forgotthebins · 19/10/2018 10:04

Thank you and I hope this gets through.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 19/10/2018 15:21

Diana, It is great you are starting this but really NI is so far removed from Hull that I think you should focus on issues closer to home

I think you missunderstand. Women across England and Wales can, and have, been prosecuted for using abortion tablets. It even applies in Hull.

Waterparc · 19/10/2018 16:43

thank you.

Jiggy16 · 20/10/2018 21:34

Thank you! Stormont is an embarrassment and I'm fed up with the lot of the politicians, they're more concerned with losing any power than they are trying to build a better future for all of us. Good luck.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 23/10/2018 08:35

Got the below reply from my MP - sadly he won't be supporting the bill. Diana, I don't know if you're still around but it would be great to hear your views on the points he raises.

Thank you for contacting me about Diana Johnson's Ten Minute Rule Bill. Abortion is a highly sensitive issue, regardless of where your view lies and one where it is important that the matter is considered with due care and respect.

I would also like to make clear that the Government's policy is to allow a free vote on matters of conscience such as abortion.

I do, however, have concerns about the points raised in the Diana Johnson's Ten Minute Rule Bill. I do not support the repealing of sections 58 and 59 of the Offences Against the Persons Act 1861 for several reasons. Primarily, repealing those two sections does not solve the issue of abortion in Northern Ireland, as without any new provisions it offers no safeguards for women, and would impact on England and Wales, as well as Northern Ireland.

The 1967 Abortion Act provides defences against the criminal law offences contained in the 1861 Act. If these offences were removed then abortion would in effect be decriminalised and no legal framework would be in place, including no gestational time limits. A new legal framework would be needed to replace those provisions, which is rightly a devolved matter which locally accountable politicians in Northern Ireland should have the opportunity to debate and consider.

The measures in the Bill also go a lot further than current debate in Northern Ireland, so it is important legislation is not imposed on Northern Ireland and we allow local politicians the opportunity to represent the views of the people of Northern Ireland. This is why this Government's priority is to restore devolved government at the earliest opportunity.

Jiggy16 · 23/10/2018 10:03

Eugh the politicians in Northern Ireland do not represent the views of the public though, that's why we need Westminster to step in. Bloody dup block anything that goes against their own wee (warped) version of Christianity, screw what anyone else thinks.

MsVanillaRoseAuntof7 · 23/10/2018 10:10

Yeah, Upstart, that's not remotely hypocritical. "Pregnant women know their own minds, but trans people need a panel of people to decide who they are" - you really can't see the irony?

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/10/2018 11:04

Blimey, women can't even discuss having access to safe terminations of pregnancy without it becoming a trans issue.

Barracker · 23/10/2018 11:36

MsVanillaRoseAuntof7
The moment women declare they are pregnant when in reality they are not,
Or demand abortions for pregnancies that don't exist, then yes, I think a panel of doctors may wish to decline that request on the basis that you can't perform a procedure to effect an impossible outcome. All you can do is produce documentation that is a fictional statement, to appease a delusion. Which I'm sure you can agree, isn't something society should do.
But that doesn't happen does it? Women are seeking real medical care for their real health status, not asking a panel of people to pretend that they are something they are not.

You'll be glad to hear that I think when it comes to matters of reality, I believe we should land firmly on the side of bodily autonomy AND fact.

Now, if you don't mind, this issue solely concerns the sex which can get pregnant and still, currently, can be criminalised for asserting bodily autonomy, unlike the other sex, which cannot.

So take your selfish derailing of this issue of
specifically female rights and do tuck it wherever you and your pals like to tuck the rest of your bollocks, please.

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