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Guest post: "Midwives want better postnatal care too, but we need support"

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LauraMumsnet · 15/06/2017 16:20

I am a midwife and a mum of two. I wanted to write an account from a midwife's point of view in support of the Better Postnatal Care campaign. Not to make excuses, but because midwives know how much those early days count and we want to see improvements too.

It has been about five years since I worked on a postnatal ward; since then I have worked in antenatal services. I know that the trust I work for is not alone in its determination to improve postnatal care, and I know that changes have been made for the better, but I fear that the difficulties I experienced as a midwife remain. One issue being that of staffing levels.

A shift would quite often start with lower than recommended staff numbers. Then, during the shift, it wasn’t unusual to get a call from the Delivery Unit asking for a member of staff to move there because they were short-staffed too. I worked on a 28-bed ward; the ideal number of staff was five midwives and two healthcare support workers, but frequently there were only three midwives and one support worker for 28 mums and about 28 babies. With so few staff to patients it is incredibly hard to deliver the care that is needed.

There are medical ward rounds, observations rounds and drug rounds. There are new admissions from the delivery unit and women to discharge home. On a standard postnatal ward in a hospital obstetric unit (so not in a midwife-led unit or birthing centre) there are also mums with various complications. There must be frequent observations for mums back from high dependency care; hourly blood pressures for women with pre-eclampsia; blood sugar monitoring for babies and mums; bilirubin measurements for babies with jaundice; emotional support for mums with babies in NICU; IV drug administrations; and scoring of babies who are withdrawing from maternal opiates.

There are also time-consuming cases involving social services. Then there are the stacks of paperwork. All these supersede the basic emotional and practical support new mums need, want and deserve. Building a relationship with a mother and her family is pivotal in providing the care they need, but to do this time is needed - a precious commodity that is rarely available during a shift.

Midwives get through most shifts with no more than a toilet break. ('Eating' means scoffing chocolates left by patients or a snack eaten in secret behind the desk.) If you forget to bring a bottle of water, the chances of getting a drink are slim. They told us not to drink at the midwives' station because it looked unprofessional. Leaving a shift on time is a rarity. Stress levels are high. Retaining newly qualified staff is a huge problem because they just don’t receive the support they need.

The pressure on beds is considerable. I remember being told to discharge a new mother against my better judgement; she had given birth the previous day and was medically fit for discharge, as was the baby, but she clearly needed support with breastfeeding. I was told to discharge her because the bed was needed to clear a space on the delivery unit; she would have to try to get the support she needed from the (overstretched) community midwifery services. I was disgusted and ashamed. Midwives are autonomous practitioners, which means we are accountable for our own actions. Every decision we make we must be able to justify, but our autonomy is squeezed by pressures on services.

So often I would feel physically and mentally exhausted. I would go home wondering if it was my fault. Were my time management skills lacking? Maybe I just wasn't up to the job? Had I let the team down? Had I let the women and their families down? At the end of some shifts staff would go home in tears. Tempers flared in sheer frustration.

Many reports over the years have recognised postnatal care among other areas of maternity as needing major improvement. More recently reports have also recognised the need for better working conditions too. The Royal College of Midwives found in a survey that 48% felt stressed at work every day or most days with over half of respondents worried about making a mistake because they are exhausted and 62% said they were dehydrated at work because they didn’t have time to drink water.

We all (NHS leaders, midwives, women and families) want the same outcome. How can we get there? How can we offer an excellent standard of care and create a good work-life balance for staff? The quality of postnatal care, staff well-being and staffing levels are all intrinsically linked. I don't think you can have one of these without the others.

To put it simply we need more midwives, highly trained maternity support staff and good clerical staff before we can start to attempt to implement a better maternity service. We need change, and we need it now.

OP posts:
ThanksMsMay · 17/06/2017 08:01

I had nothing but fantastic midwives, and they were clearly over worked. My first dc was meant to be a home birth, that midwife followed me to hospital and stayed until the next day when I delivered. My dh saw her the next morning returning to get her car (she'd come with my in the ambulance). No doubt there are a few bad one, there are any profession but I think generally it's a vocation and people don't become midwives for the money and glamour Hmm They do want to help.

HandbagKrabby · 17/06/2017 08:51

Your professional bodies need to stand up for your rights,. You need to whistleblow where staffing ratios are not safe.

I doubt there's a woman alive who gives a shit if you have a drink and something to eat whilst typing at a desk, tell your ward managers to sod off.

I've had some amazing midwives, middling midwives and terrible midwives. The main thing that sticks out for me is the lack of respect and compassion for me as a human being in suffering. This costs nothing and takes no time.

HelenTalkingMums1 · 17/06/2017 08:58

I'm really sorry you had such a negative experience and yes I can't speak for every midwife as yes there are those that shouldn't be in the profession without doubt. But I can speak for a majority when I say the work can be overwhelming at times. Especially on postnatal wards. More midwives (yes well trained and dedicated) will make a difference. As I said in my post how can 3 midwives stretched across 28 women and poss 28 babies possibly deliver exceptional care and not miss anything? On a regular 7.5hr shift once you exclude handovers, not accounting for breaks or other duties that works out at approx 20mins per patient for the whole shift! Factor in an emergency or a social services case or a high dependency case that time is then reduced. Even the most competent midwives cannot possibly deliver the necessary care in these circumstances.
I've worked with many dedicated midwives who have been pushed to their limits. Ok, this is only the trust I worked in and I can't speak for the profession or the unit you were in 20 years ago.
The whole point of this campaign is to make improvements for all of us, mentally and physically.

Dayes123 · 17/06/2017 09:02

My personal experience of giving birth to my daughter was bad. V little support during birth v long labour. After care on the ward was terrible. No pain killers given I had to ask for them. I could hardly walk. When moved onto the main ward I was asked to change my own blood stainned bedding because there was a monitor alarm going off I was told a baby was seriously sick which I agree was more important than my bed being made. So I struggled to get out my bed and change my own sheets. I could hardly move due to stitches. Lost a huge amount of blood. As a result I suffered with post natal depression.

HandbagKrabby · 17/06/2017 09:27

Helen what do you want mothers to do? It sounds like you want us to not bother you on shift as you're already too busy and stressed and to be understanding of that. But if you are in pain, sick, worried, upset and/or your baby is, it isn't reasonable to ask patients to be mindful of the staff.

Personally I'd be happy to support a campaign to improve staffing ratios in maternity.

OhTheRoses · 17/06/2017 09:33

And I'd be happy to support a campaign to instil basic skills, compassion and social conduct into midwives.

OhTheRoses · 17/06/2017 09:37

What I can't reconcile are the complaints of being overworked 20 years ago when they visibly weren't overworked to the complaints now. I ended up sitting on an MSLC and the interactions were very opaque with the NCT lapping up everything they were told and really only pressing the views of a narrow perspective.

HelenTalkingMums1 · 17/06/2017 09:48

Of course I want women to be supported that is the whole point I'm trying to make. Just after having a baby is one of the most vulnerable times a women will experience. And I totally understand that. I am a mother too. Of course I want women to get everything they need and that's why I'm supporting this campaign. There are many many factors to better postnatal care, staffing number just being one of them. I could have gone into much more in my post but I wasn't limited to word count and so focused of staff numbers. 10 years ago I felt I could give the care I wanted, things have changed.

TooStressyForMyOwnGood · 17/06/2017 09:59

Handbag, there are regular complaints from relatives and patients about staff eating and drinking at desks unfortunately. They are told they are skiving.

OP, this thread will go the same way as all others like this do - you start a thread to raise awareness of safe staffing ratios and the support that staff need but it ends up just a thread to bash staff further with Flowers.

And, yes, that doesn't negate the need for compassion towards women, of course.

HelenTalkingMums1 · 17/06/2017 10:04

I should also add it's not the women and their families I want to be considerate of staff it's the government. We as staff should be there for you and we're not. The government should be backing us up so we can support you in full capacity. I don't devalue your experiences at all, they should have been positive and they clearly weren't. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that mothers matter, staff matter too. Just as your experiences are valid and true so are the stories of many midwives leaving the profession due to not being able to deliver the care that they want to give.

FastWomanStanding · 17/06/2017 10:16

I can forgive the lack of food, drink, water or assistance. But what stays with me after a number of years is the callousness, sarcasm and belittlement. My skin ripped off as well as my post surgery dressing, laughed at for wanting to breastfeed, left alone shouting for help for 20 minutes, after I'd thrown up over my baby and myself and was shaking and had nowhere to put down my newborn - they were supposed to be monitoring me for internal bleeding after CS. When somebody did come they were irritated with me. I turned in a few hours from a woman with an identity to a quivering piece of meat. So overworked doesn't really cut it, sadly.

HelenTalkingMums1 · 17/06/2017 10:39

FastWomanStanding I'm so sorry for your experience. You should never have been laughed at for wanting to breastfeed. You should have been supported. I won't make excuse for rudeness by staff as that is unacceptable. I totally stand by the fact that kindness and compassion take no time at all. But the point my post is trying to make is that if we have more staff on the ward, staff get to spend more time with each family, without the stress of feeling they are neglecting the family next door, get to know the family taking the time care for individual needs. No woman should leave the postnatal ward not having received the care they need.

OhTheRoses · 17/06/2017 10:46

But Helen what were ratios 20 years ago compared to now? If they were hugely better then why were so many midwives complaining 20 years ago and why were women not getting the care they deserved then?

There are huge issues relating to nursing and midwifery standards in the UK. For years midwives complained about doctors medicalising birth. In my experience the birth that should have been fairly routine was grossly mismanaged until a doctor appeared. A doctor appeared when my husband heard "don't worry about the heart rate it's just the belt slipping, then "it's a faulty belt". If my husband (and yes husband, not partner) hadn't opened the door at that moment and yelled get a doctor in here right now my baby would have died. He was blue/purple at birth and took minutes to resuscitate. We were very very lucky there was no brain damage and medical staff were palpably nervous for a few days. His apgar score was 4. The posterior presentation was only noticed when the doctor arrived. I won't go into details about how he came out but I have had surgery for a bladder prolapse.

The previous midwife who looked after me on the ward for the four to five hours before I was transferred to a delivery suite thought it hysterically funny that I was making a fuss when barely dilated. There was a curtain between me and the next family when she loudly described my cervix and laughed and then injected pethidine without my consent. I was in agony on a public ward because if they transferred me to a labour room I'd have had to be monitored by a midwife continuously. I was in pain because the baby was posterior, I had no contractions just a continuous wall of pain. No midwife appeared capable of knowing that.

As I have said there were more midwives on duty than women. It was Christmas Eve they were more interested in giggling. Funnily enough once the senior reg, senior paed, anaesthetist a d midwife in charge appeared the care was competent and caring just the two inadequate idiots before them didn't spot an issue. My DH did. The reg asked if he was medically trained, no "a barrister". He balked and said a side room had to be found. And after all that the midwife told me to go and clean myself up on the shower - on my own!

We don't need more midwives, we need competent midwives and more doctors involved in all aspects of pregnancy and childbirth. No point seeing people who answer every question with "I don't know" or who Can t prescribe antibiotics in the community or from the maternity ward when the dr and chemist are shut because the twit who saw you at noon missed it and left you in a compromised situation because they were too dim to think ahead. But that one seemed OK compared to the first one who asked about sex and when I"d have it and how important pelvis e floor exercises werè otherwise "ma man would say da sex felt like dat" waving hand and forearm in the air. Lovely.

Never ever again was a midwife allowed some charge of any aspect of my care. If it has got worse than that the BHS died a long time ago and we all need to sit up and accept it and get sorted out proper alternatives.

I will pay for my daughter and future dIL if there is one to have private care if they have children.

My third experience was fab although I had a very assertive birth plan and consultant led care at a different hospital. I had every error they made, incorrect information they provided corrected from day one. Women have to become much much more asserþive and write formal complaints. The standards are not good enough and I don't believe it's due to resources or the Tory's necessarily.

HelenTalkingMums1 · 17/06/2017 11:02

OhTheRoses, unfortunately I can't comment about midwifery 20 years ago, I was still at school. All I can comment on are my experiences of my career as a midwife. I too want better care and I agree with you that more needs to be done in terms of training. Many midwives feel underprepared for being qualified and registered. But I still stand by the fact that we need more midwives too - well trained ones yes.

OhTheRoses · 17/06/2017 11:07

But if you want to campaign for better staff patient ratios then surely you can source the data available in 1994 to support your arguments.

I don't see any point in having more of something that practices to spectacularly poor standards. I see the point of having more of something better. The system cannot improve until those in it recognise how awful and unfit for purpose it is.

blue2014 · 17/06/2017 11:23

I have to say, in my case every single mistake made in my care during pregnancy (and there were several serious ones) were made my doctors. Every single time. And every time the midwife had disagreed with the doctor and been correct. I was shocked by the lack of competence of the doctors (I was googling and getting better answers than they were giving) and felt sorry for the poor midwives having to mop up their mistakes

ThanksMsMay · 17/06/2017 11:41

Are staff ratios 20 years ago relevant to women today? Yes, we categorically do need more midwives now. And while it's unfortunate you had a bad experience of midwives, most women in this country aren't interested in a doctor led birth. And it's not up to the op to look up staffing levels from when she was in school.

I had a doctor led birth in America and it was the worst experience I ever had. I hope you don't push your dil in to that. there will be aibu threads a plenty.

I also had a shitty consultant in the UK come in and ask why I was screaming so loud Hmm Stuck, transverse nearly 10lb baby that's why.

Midwives waited for her to leave and basically told me to ignore and get on with what what I was doing. Thank fuck

OhTheRoses · 17/06/2017 11:44

I think they are relevant because the crying wolf a generation ago hasn't helped this generation.

HelenTalkingMums1 · 17/06/2017 12:07

I'm not campaigning solely for more numbers, the campaign is for Better Postnatal Care, numbers are a factor as are standards. Also I'm supporting the campaign not running it.
Whilst there are areas that are performing poorly I don't agree that all midwives perform to 'spectacularly poor standards' there are some amazing midwives out there who work really hard to improve practice and support women, who tirelessly work with other professionals to create better a better service for families. We're not perfect, no but most of us care deeply.

ThanksMsMay · 17/06/2017 12:54

ohtheroses You can cry wolf. I can cry wolf. A group of individuals who are not the same group you are talking about cannot be held responsible for the other groups actions Confused

In addition to that nonsense if you want to know what midwife levels were when you last gave birth (so that you can argue against better care for women and better working conditions for midwives then you look it up. ) Confused

The op doesn't meet to make an argument that there aren't enough midwives. It is not in dispute by anyone!
Ask the NHS, ask the women who can't get checked out of hospital for hours because there is no one to do the paperwork.

OhTheRoses · 17/06/2017 13:04

But were there enough twenty years ago when every midwife I met complained continually. If there were enough then What were they complaining about. We can't conclude if there are aren't enough now although comparative data. The fact that midwives complain is not necessarily based on fact. That is the point I'm trying to make. 22 years ago I saw 6 different midwives in 9 days and discharged myself on day 13 because the Care was unacceptable. If I hadn't had post natal community midwives I'd have called my GO as soon as I felt unwell, woukd have been diagnosed and medicated and wouldn't have become very unwell.

Post natal wards don't need more midwives they need high quality nursing Cate from HCAs the equivalent of the old SENs.

OhTheRoses · 17/06/2017 13:07

I was discharged fro.m hospital on day 4 and discharged myself from community midwives on day 13. Two major London teaching hospitals. Poor midwife standards at both.

ThanksMsMay · 17/06/2017 13:31

Using a 22 year old anecdote to extrapolate data about current staffing levels is ridiculous. Your bad midwives (20 years ago) are not indicative of all midwives.

Batteriesallgone · 17/06/2017 13:55

I can't help wondering if under extreme low staffing stressful conditions, the ones who 'cope' are the cold ones, the mean ones, the bullies.

Over time, the caring compassionate midwives leave due to stress, or are pushed out by the atmosphere. And the bullies thrive.

And given a few years, you end up where we are now - where the bossy mean midwives are the dominant voices on the wards, leading to huge swathes of women feeling traumatised by their 'care'.

The government not only need to increase staffing levels, they need to find a way to encourage an environment where care and kindness is rewarded, not cold mean mindedness.

Clalpolly · 17/06/2017 16:13

What Batteries said.

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