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Guest post: "I'm marching because Trump's presidency will affect us all"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 19/01/2017 13:18

This Saturday, the first day of Donald Trump's presidency, I will join the Women's March on London. I will march as a US voter who tried and failed to keep Trump out, and as the co-founder of the UK Women's Equality Party. I will march alongside thousands of party members and a wide range of other organisations and individuals. We will march in solidarity with the Women's March on Washington and at least 386 sister marches taking place across five continents.

It is already clear how women in the US will suffer as a direct consequence of Trump's election. Plans are gathering pace to defund the largest US provider of family planning services, Planned Parenthood, and to restrict abortion rights. At least 46 states are already debating anti-abortion bills. This is only the tip of the iceberg. For many women, the impact will be harder still, because of their race or sexual orientation, because they are differently abled or from a religious community or of an age or social class that is already subject to systemic discrimination.

Some people question why we should have a London March. It's true that we on this side of the Atlantic already have a lot to worry about, with the pay gap still at 19%, 77% of mothers subject to maternity discrimination at work and the UK hurtling towards Brexit without any clear focus on mitigating the repercussions for women. On average women are poorer than men, earn less if employed, are more likely to be caregivers and therefore rely more heavily on public services routinely targeted for cutbacks by governments in times of upheaval. And upheaval is coming. The female half of the population will bear the brunt.

I will march because what happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas. The US is the world's largest economy and its largest exporter of ideas. The misogyny, racism and homophobia that marked Trump's election campaign is poisoning discourse everywhere and emboldening extremists in many parts of the world. His denial of climate change will affect the very air we breathe. We cannot allow ourselves to treat Trump as if he were a normal President. To do so would be to misunderstand the nature of the beast.

The London March creates a platform to discuss local and national concerns as well as international issues - and it's pretty hard to disentangle these things anyway. Everywhere, mainstream politics is letting women down. Economies that harness the productive power of women perform far better - yet here we are at the beginning of 2017 and there still isn't a single society that is fully gender equal. The many men who will join the marches understand that Trump's war on women is part of a wider reality that hurts them too. Gender equality remains a distant dream and, increasingly, the rights and protections we do enjoy are coming under attack.

Yet another answer is that the London March and sister marches aren't primarily protests. They are affirmations of the things we hold dear. They are about creating alliances and movements. The London March came about because women in the UK heard about plans for the Washington event and independently put out calls for action in solidarity. The Women's Equality Party, contacted by some of these women, alerted them to each other's initiatives and agreed to help with logistics and organisation. As a young party - registered with the Electoral Commission in July 2015 - WE have had to learn very quickly how to do such things and we believe in sharing the benefits of that experience.

Like the Women's Marches, we are collaborative and non-partisan. WE do not believe that the struggle for gender equality belongs to one part of the political spectrum. Only by working together, by combining our voices, can we make real and lasting change.

Of course, the marches cannot halt Trump's presidency or alleviate specific injustices. What they can and will do is help to demonstrate where the vast majority of public sentiment lies. A false narrative has gained currency with Trump's victory—that this was a popular victory, when in fact he didn't even win the popular vote; that the prejudices to which he gave voice are shared by most of us.

It is important to puncture this narrative because mainstream politics is apt to accept dominant narratives and then to try to curry favour with voters rather than interrogating and challenging their presumed views. It is important to ensure the political mainstream knows that most of us don't want any part of the polarised and polarising world of Trump. We want a society in which every one of us, and our children, can flourish. Let's make our voices heard.

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WrongTrouser · 21/01/2017 20:01

Completely agree Het

As well as the dubiousness of demonstrating against another country's democratic election outcome, what worries me is the divisiveness of lumping all the Owen Jones Commandments into one creed and saying if you believe one you must agree with all. This just seems to be stoking up all the awful post referendum division. It's so simplistic and glib, and not what we need at the moment.

user1485028676 · 21/01/2017 20:07

'Women of the World Unite.' Lets discount the 53% of white women voted for a man who calls women pigs, has a string of sexual assault claims still outstanding, who will happily turn back women’s rights to contraception and abortion if it suits him. A London protest may be seen as 'the thing to do' but will have no effect. This is what the American public, including women have voted for.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 21/01/2017 20:44

The WEP made a single initial post and haven't come back to enter into discussion. Less like a guest post and more like a press release, lazily issued with no intention to engage.

Given how small the party must be I am somewhat surprised they seem to have so little interest in the responses to their post. They must have paid for this guest post but seem not to care that they have had no benefit from it.

If I were trying to launch a political party I would knock myself out to gain the support of my target voters. It's really, really odd that the WEP doesn't seem to give a shit what women think.

venusinscorpio · 21/01/2017 21:26

I think it's more that they don't have a clue how to engage with these views. Which isn't unique to them but definitely isn't going to make me support them as a women's party.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 21/01/2017 21:30

I've asked HQ if they can shed any light but I can't see there being any good explanation.

Queenie04 · 21/01/2017 21:35

I agree with user148 in the last post a substantial among if white Women voted for trump so not sure what the natch is about. As a Black woman I will not March in solidarity with anyone or anything when in fact if us unclear whether white feminists are in support of my abc my struggle as a woman and as a Black person

Queenie04 · 21/01/2017 21:38

The fact that so many white Women voted for trump shows that his anti Black,Muslim,Mexican,Immigrant rhetoric/racism still appealed despite his blatant sexism towards women. Therefore as a Black woman Zhou can I support this if any other so called March of solidarity?

MercyMyJewels · 21/01/2017 23:12

What is Zhou?

And you really need to do sentences to get people to support you

I'm trying

Queenie04 · 22/01/2017 08:30

Mercy I don't need your support, also that's iPhone auto correct. 66% of white Women voted for trump. I'm sure you got the Just of my previous post Grin

Queenie04 · 22/01/2017 08:31

Mercy it's interesting you ignore the actual point of my post, so again March in solidarity with who again?

PhoenixJasmine · 22/01/2017 08:44

Queenie, I've re-read your posts several times and no I can't get (I assume you meant the gist?) of your posts, at all, I'm sorry. Apart from you sound very impassioned about the point you want to make.

Back to the thread: I assume at some point someone from WEP HQ will read these comments. I too am really saddened by WEP's lack of engagement with women and their concerns. We're here, we want our voices heard, we want to fight for women's rights. I joined your
party, I turned out to local meetings to get involved at grass roots level. All I found was a massive disconnect. Why are you so disinterested and dismissive of our real and legitimate concerns?

M0stlyHet · 22/01/2017 09:18

I do see your point, Queenie - where is the outrage about the fact that black people were still getting shot by police under a black, Democratic president, and now America has a Republican president who has said the most appallingly racist things and hangs out with people affiliated to the KKK - this situation is only going to get worse.

But I think you're making the mistake (fostered by modern identity politics and intersectionality) of thinking it's "either/or" but not "both" that are important. Of course women can march for women's rights. And those rights encompass all women's rights. Ask yourself who's going to be hit hardest in say, Alabama, when Trump and Pence manage to pack the supreme court with conservatives and undermine Roe vs Wade. Is it going to be the middle class white girl whose parents can fly her up to NY (where abortion was legal prior to Roe vs Wade)? Or is it going to be the working class black girl who (first executive action: neuter the ACA) who can't even get access to affordable contraception in the first place, never mind go outside the state for a safe abortion.

Black lives matter. Abortion rights matter. A free press matters. You don't have to pick just one to the exclusion of all others.

M0stlyHet · 22/01/2017 09:19

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PhoenixJasmine · 22/01/2017 09:32

Goodness Het what did you say that MNHQ deleted so quickly?!? At least we know MNHQ are reading this...!

BeyondCanSeeTheEmperorsBellend · 22/01/2017 09:38

Hang on, it was 66% of people who voted for trump were white women, wasn't it? Not 66% of white women voted for trump?

BeyondCanSeeTheEmperorsBellend · 22/01/2017 09:39

Maybe the mnhqer reading and not commenting knows?

M0stlyHet · 22/01/2017 09:44

I pointed out that picking people up on their spelling and grammar rather than engaging with the point they were trying to make was twattish behaviour. I named the poster that was twattish. It is especially twattish behaviour when the poster being attacked has already said that in part the way they write is because of their racial and cultural background.

M0stlyHet · 22/01/2017 09:45

This interactive site from the Washington Post lets you see how people voted according to race, social class and education level

(Putting it in a separate post in case my previous one gets deleted too).

M0stlyHet · 22/01/2017 09:48

61% of white women with no college degree voted Trump. 44% of white women with a college degree voted for Trump.

Only 3% of black women with no college degree voted for Trump. Strangely that goes up to 6% for black women with a college degree. Hispanic women were 27% (college degree) and 25% (no college degree). (I'm guessing among Hispanic women, Catholicism and abortion may have played a role in decision making).

BeyondCanSeeTheEmperorsBellend · 22/01/2017 09:49

In that case, its 61% of trumps voters were white women with no college degree, and lower (think it was 44% but I've closed the window now) with a degree.
So no way do those numbers add up to 66% for trump, never mind 66% of all women

BeyondCanSeeTheEmperorsBellend · 22/01/2017 09:50

Sorry, all white women

Anyway, x post!

PhoenixJasmine · 22/01/2017 09:57

Yeah, calling someone a twat isn't nice either Smile and personal attacks are not permitted here. There's a difference between picking someone up on a spelling mistake in a patronising manner, and expressing that you're not able to engage with someone because you're not sure you actually understand what they're trying to say, clarifying what they mean is not the same as ridiculing dyslexia, racial or cultural background.

For clarity, Queenie I'm sorry I find your writing style inaccessible. If Het has accurately summarised your point then I agree entirely. Although coverage of the march I heard did mention black deaths at the hands of police, so I don't necessarily agree that there is a lack of outrage on that issue from 'white feminists'.

Personally I'd rather be seen as just a feminist though, rather than a white feminist.

M0stlyHet · 22/01/2017 10:00

Oh, I make no claims to being nice. Smile Being nice to someone who's having a go at a poster's grammar and spelling when that poster is trying to make a serious point about race is not in my repertoire of appropriate responses.

PhoenixJasmine · 22/01/2017 10:02

Again, no one was having a go. It feels like you're having a go, though.

MercyMyJewels · 22/01/2017 11:44

If that post was aimed at me Het I was not having a go. Two posters were having a fight over two threads. It started out of the blue, it was aggressive and it was not clear what it was about and yes, the language did not help understanding at all, Also did not see a post explaining writing style. I was not having a go, I was trying to understand what was going on