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Guest post: "The sex trade can never be made 'safe'"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 07/07/2016 15:44

Recent decades have witnessed an unprecedented expansion of the sex trade. During the 1990s the number of UK men who pay for sex almost doubled, between 1997 and 2011 the number of lap dancing clubs increased tenfold, and a recent BBC survey revealed almost a quarter of young people have watched pornography by the time they reach their teens. So what should we do?

Nothing - is the answer implied by common descriptions of the sex trade. If prostitution is "the world's oldest profession" and "will always exist", as the Economist assures us, why bother trying to curb it? If porn is "fantasy", and not "real sex", like the online advice guide for young people The Site bills it, where's the need? And if groups such as Open Society Foundations (OSF) are right and selling sex is simply work - "sex work" - then aren't men who pay for sex just regular consumers, their growth in number no cause for concern?

These relaxed takes on the burgeoning business of prostitution do allow room for a bit of tinkering around the edges, mind you. For instance, governments ought to "[promote] safe working conditions" for women in prostitution, according to OSF. Their policy prescription? So-called 'full decriminalisation'. That involves making brothel-keeping and pimping legal, and removing any specific laws restricting the sex trade's operations. One of their exemplar states - New Zealand - has produced a health and safety guide for brothels.

But responses like these rely on a fatalistic acceptance of continuing demand for the sex trade. They presuppose it can be made safe. And they require us to buy in to the belief that a society that sanctions the sex trade can also be a society committed to securing equality between women and men.

It can't. The sex trade can never be made 'safe'.

At the core of this enterprise is a very simple product concept: a person (usually a man) can pay to sexually access the body of someone (usually a woman) who does not freely want to have sex with him; otherwise he wouldn't have to pay her to be there. This is not a regular consumer transaction, this is sexual abuse. The buyer's disregard for mutuality, and ability to treat another person as a sexual object, are fundamental to the act. It is, as activist and prostitution survivor Diane Martin CBE calls it, "violence against women". Responses to the sex trade which have attempted to skirt over this inherent harm, to sanction it as legitimate business in a bid to quash attendant harms, haven't just failed - they've made it worse.

Germany, which took the decision to legalise prostitution in 2001, is now home to a chain of 'mega-brothels' and a sex trade worth 16 billion euros annually. The result has led Helmut Sporer, Detective Chief Superintendent of the Crimes Squad in Augsburg, to dub his country "the El Dorado for pimps". The Netherlands legalised prostitution in 2000 in a bid to "purge it of criminal peripheral phenomena". Yet in 2008 the national police force reported that between 50%-90% of women in the trade "work involuntarily". Researchers at VU University Amsterdam concluded, "the regulation has hidden the legalised sector from the view of the criminal justice system, while human trafficking still thrives behind the legal façade of a legalised prostitution sector. Brothels can even function as legalised outlets for victims of sex trafficking". Indeed, research shows that countries in which prostitution is completely legal experience significantly higher rates of trafficking.

Demand for the sex trade is not inevitable. The sexist attitudes of entitlement that underpin it can be tackled. But that won't be achieved by state sanctioning this exploitative practice in a hopeless bid to contain the dangers associated with it. Sexual consent is not a commodity; sexual abuse can never be made 'safe'.

If we are serious about wanting equality between women and men, then we have to work to end commercial sexual exploitation. As Diane Martin CBE says, "We should be creating the most hostile environment on both a social and legal level for those who sell, control, exploit, pay for and benefit financially from the sale of the bodies of women". That means adopting 'end demand' measures like the Sex Buyer Law - which criminalises paying for sex but decriminalises selling sex, providing support services for people exploited through prostitution.

Crucially, it also means dispelling myths that provide cover for the industry - and justification for its users. Myths like 'demand is inevitable', 'selling sex is regular work', and 'fully decriminalising the industry makes women safe'. Because without these myths to hide behind, the sexist core of this trade becomes clear - and so does our ability to bring about change.

Pimp State: Sex, Money and the Future of Equality by Kat Banyard is out now (Faber & Faber, £12.99).

Read Laura Lee's post here.

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DetestableHerytike · 10/07/2016 14:34

Your posts make no sense, Gaye.

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DetestableHerytike · 10/07/2016 14:36

Is there a special medal for those whl remember using Netscape or done thing?

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DetestableHerytike · 10/07/2016 14:37

..or something?

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GayeDalton · 10/07/2016 14:37

LassWiTheDelicateAir

www.breakthecycle.org/blog/warning-signs-abuse-name-calling

"One of the biggest red flags of an unhealthy or abusive relationship is name calling. It’s considered abusive behavior because it labels one partner as something negative you’re dumb, ugly, stupid, fat, unloveable without acknowledging or considering their feelings. By verbally stating “you’re bad” in some form, a partner can exert their control and hold power over the other person’s sense of self-worth."

Now how in the wide world does that stop being abusive just because it's you and the dysfunctional subculture you hide in doing it?

It doesn't. You are abusing sexworkers quite openly because you choose to, and taking a wild guess that is probably because you want to abuse them.

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GayeDalton · 10/07/2016 14:40

venusinscorpio

Don't be so silly, it wasn't a "boast" at all, just a quantitative thing.

DetestableHerytike

I bet they do really...but the only thing you don't insult and abuse is people telling what you want to hear...and reality can take a running jump.

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GayeDalton · 10/07/2016 14:42

Anyway, it really IS sunday (error AND copy) and I don't want to spoil ye with too much attention, BESIDES, I got a hot date with Herr Junghans to attend to.

So bitch among yourselves.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 10/07/2016 14:44

Calling some one, male or female who sells sex "a prostitute" is not name calling. Your link is utterly irrelevant.

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DetestableHerytike · 10/07/2016 14:46

Nope, no sense at all.

Enjoy your Sunday.

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TheRealPosieParker · 10/07/2016 14:50

Gaye.


You're too much. Those big guns are really well flexed with Internet knowledge. I was online before 1996, but then I'm 42.

Anyway I dont see you making headway in convincing women that enabling men easier access to women's bodies is a good thing.

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TheRealPosieParker · 10/07/2016 14:52

Interestingly those men that purchase sex don't want relationships with them once they've retired which makes a very precise point about how men see those women.

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GayeDalton · 10/07/2016 22:03

TheRealPosieParker

Interestingly those men that purchase sex don't want relationships with them once they've retired which makes a very precise point about how men see those women.

Funny?? I kept most of mine for years, and still have some to this day - must be my unique awesomeness....

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Blackbeauty32 · 10/07/2016 22:57

Totally agree with article, I recently went out in two dates with a guy and talk turned to his past relationships etc. He told me after he hIred prostitues before on numerous occasions. I tried not to judge him but the way he talked about women, sex and relationships was so warped. Needless to say did not go out with him again. Porn and prostitution is changing the way men view, interact with women in a negative way. It leaves them viewing women as objects, there for their own gratification only and cold when it comes to being in a relationship.

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venusinscorpio · 10/07/2016 23:39

Agree Blackbeauty. It is a red flag, from personal experience.

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TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 10:02

Gaye.

I'm guessing he's quite the catch, as is any man who allows his partner to carry on fucking men for money.......
Oh I'm literally dying with envy.

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GayeDalton · 11/07/2016 11:02

The same message over and over in different words:

Whether men can buy sex matters because I don't like it. Whether desperate women and, often, their families can survive with a reasonable quality of life is irrelevant because it doesn't make any difference to me

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Xenophile · 11/07/2016 11:32

Gaye, Sorry, but I really haven't made up anything.

Men who wish to continue to treat women as meat to be bought and sold, regardless of how empowering the minority of the prostituted wish to make it sound, have and do threaten to kill and rape anyone who suggests that they should be seeing women as human beings.

And you've only been on the internet since 1996? You utter slacker. Grin

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GayeDalton · 11/07/2016 19:20

Xenophile,

All you have done in these two threads is recycle grossly inaccurate abolitionist propaganda (aka "things other people have made up")...and accuse Laura Lee of doing something she wasn't doing (aka "making something up yourself").

Most sex workers don't feel "empowered" - that is a line out of "Klute" that was silly when Jane Fonda (big abolitionist) first said it in the 70s. The majority of sex workers feel financially safe.

Do you seriously think sex workers do not talk among themselves?

OF COURSE WE DO...all the time, and the vast majority of us are in agreement:
#Full decriminalisation is a debt we are owed for far too long
#Sex work is all about money
#We are absolutely furious at the constant stream of lies about us and our clients from the abolitionist lobby who do not know the first thing about anything in our lives
#We shouldn't have to live in fear of feminists who don't even WANT to know what they are talking about this way.
#Paying for sexual services is the OPPOSITE to rape and those who do so have the opposite mindset.

You, and your compadres make things up as a way of life and see us as the designated target.

We hate you because of it.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 11/07/2016 19:46

#We are absolutely furious at the constant stream of lies about us and our clients from the abolitionist lobby

What lies are these about the punters? I know most posters here think punters are the scum of the earth who deserve to be treated with utmost contempt. I certainly do.

But, on the other hand given the level of danger which is trotted out as the reason prostitution must be decriminalised to keep prostitutes safe, what lies are being told about the punters and pimps?

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 11/07/2016 19:48

#We shouldn't have to live in fear of feminists

Yes , it's those nasty feminists (and me) who beat you up, steal from you, rape you- not your lovely punters.

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LurcioAgain · 11/07/2016 19:58

Quite right Lass. There are exactly no instances of feminists ever attacking prostitutes - ever, in the entire history of feminism. Whereas prostitutes are routinely raped, beaten, even murderered by their punters and pimps.

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TheRealPosieParker · 11/07/2016 20:19

See Gaye, I take my lead on sex work from ex prostitutes. Not from the likes of you who dehumanise women.

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OlennasWimple · 11/07/2016 21:18

But there are thousands of instances where we make policy based on a range of views Confused

We don't solely ask immigrants what a new immigration policy might look like. We don't say that cancer patients are the only people who can advise on hospice provision.

Sure, we consult and take their views into account (and maybe even give them greater weight than others) but they aren't the only ones with a stake in the policy, any more than (ex) sex workers are the only ones who should have a voice on prostitution

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GayeDalton · 11/07/2016 21:36

LassWiTheDelicateAir

It is perfectly ok for you to hold any opinion you like about sex work clients (or anyone else for that matter). What is not ok is trotting out fake facts from nowhere to justify your opinion and taking advantage of the clandestine nature of sex work to trot those fictions out as "evidence", then abusing us when we try to stop you.

Telling lies about people is the most terrible kind of theft.

You are stealing the real choices we, as human beings, have made, and the real reasons we have made them from us (while substituting a very insulting fiction) and you are stealing access to correct information from anyone who listens to you.

Then you have the gall to use every verbally abusive technique you every learned to try and batter us into submission to those lies.

Criminalisation creates about 80% of any danger and distress in sex work, whether that suits you or not that is the reality of what sex workers have to live what is, an honest decent life, despite.

The Nordic Model creates far more danger and distress than anything but full criminalisation US style partly because it tries to force us to entrust our lives to people who think it is ok to abuse us the way you do, and frankly, we would need to be off our heads to do that.

Rape, theft and murder are not common or widespread threats to sex workers (I think the most dangerous occupation in the US is something like chauffeurs - look it up), people like you are a threat looking for a way to destroy our whole lives 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Destitution, however is 100% guaranteed to be dangerous and harmful, and there is no excuse for legislation that increases the danger to harmless people. Stop trying to twist that.

Daria Pionka was killed in a safety zone...without the safety zone he might well have killed 3 women before they stopped him. That is reality.

Pimps are mindbogglingly rare, and it is really, REALLY insulting to suggest that we would be so weak willed as to hand over the money we make to anyone we didn't give birth to.

Your lies describe us as people we have always chosen not to be. That is the most terrible theft of all.

That is why we hate you for the things you are so determined to do to us.

...and what is more, we are never, ever going to be able forgive you.

This isn't a computer game, we won't all be on the same side when you reload.

Some of us will be suicide statistics, some of us will have lost our homes and our children, some of us will have been raped and or murdered because it got so hard to make money we couldn't afford to protect ourselves.

But you go have your fun with our lives...

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GayeDalton · 11/07/2016 21:38

LurcioAgain

Don't be ridiculous, this whole thread is a feminist attack on sex workers for starters and any fool can see that for themselves.

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LurcioAgain · 11/07/2016 21:40

I think you're confusing verbal disagreement with actual attack. Verbal disagreement is part and parcel of living in a free and democratic society. It's a shame for you of course if you are not comfortable with people disagreeing with you, but I repeat, it is not an attack, and to portray it as such is a complete travesty.

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