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Guest post: "The sex trade can never be made 'safe'"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 07/07/2016 15:44

Recent decades have witnessed an unprecedented expansion of the sex trade. During the 1990s the number of UK men who pay for sex almost doubled, between 1997 and 2011 the number of lap dancing clubs increased tenfold, and a recent BBC survey revealed almost a quarter of young people have watched pornography by the time they reach their teens. So what should we do?

Nothing - is the answer implied by common descriptions of the sex trade. If prostitution is "the world's oldest profession" and "will always exist", as the Economist assures us, why bother trying to curb it? If porn is "fantasy", and not "real sex", like the online advice guide for young people The Site bills it, where's the need? And if groups such as Open Society Foundations (OSF) are right and selling sex is simply work - "sex work" - then aren't men who pay for sex just regular consumers, their growth in number no cause for concern?

These relaxed takes on the burgeoning business of prostitution do allow room for a bit of tinkering around the edges, mind you. For instance, governments ought to "[promote] safe working conditions" for women in prostitution, according to OSF. Their policy prescription? So-called 'full decriminalisation'. That involves making brothel-keeping and pimping legal, and removing any specific laws restricting the sex trade's operations. One of their exemplar states - New Zealand - has produced a health and safety guide for brothels.

But responses like these rely on a fatalistic acceptance of continuing demand for the sex trade. They presuppose it can be made safe. And they require us to buy in to the belief that a society that sanctions the sex trade can also be a society committed to securing equality between women and men.

It can't. The sex trade can never be made 'safe'.

At the core of this enterprise is a very simple product concept: a person (usually a man) can pay to sexually access the body of someone (usually a woman) who does not freely want to have sex with him; otherwise he wouldn't have to pay her to be there. This is not a regular consumer transaction, this is sexual abuse. The buyer's disregard for mutuality, and ability to treat another person as a sexual object, are fundamental to the act. It is, as activist and prostitution survivor Diane Martin CBE calls it, "violence against women". Responses to the sex trade which have attempted to skirt over this inherent harm, to sanction it as legitimate business in a bid to quash attendant harms, haven't just failed - they've made it worse.

Germany, which took the decision to legalise prostitution in 2001, is now home to a chain of 'mega-brothels' and a sex trade worth 16 billion euros annually. The result has led Helmut Sporer, Detective Chief Superintendent of the Crimes Squad in Augsburg, to dub his country "the El Dorado for pimps". The Netherlands legalised prostitution in 2000 in a bid to "purge it of criminal peripheral phenomena". Yet in 2008 the national police force reported that between 50%-90% of women in the trade "work involuntarily". Researchers at VU University Amsterdam concluded, "the regulation has hidden the legalised sector from the view of the criminal justice system, while human trafficking still thrives behind the legal façade of a legalised prostitution sector. Brothels can even function as legalised outlets for victims of sex trafficking". Indeed, research shows that countries in which prostitution is completely legal experience significantly higher rates of trafficking.

Demand for the sex trade is not inevitable. The sexist attitudes of entitlement that underpin it can be tackled. But that won't be achieved by state sanctioning this exploitative practice in a hopeless bid to contain the dangers associated with it. Sexual consent is not a commodity; sexual abuse can never be made 'safe'.

If we are serious about wanting equality between women and men, then we have to work to end commercial sexual exploitation. As Diane Martin CBE says, "We should be creating the most hostile environment on both a social and legal level for those who sell, control, exploit, pay for and benefit financially from the sale of the bodies of women". That means adopting 'end demand' measures like the Sex Buyer Law - which criminalises paying for sex but decriminalises selling sex, providing support services for people exploited through prostitution.

Crucially, it also means dispelling myths that provide cover for the industry - and justification for its users. Myths like 'demand is inevitable', 'selling sex is regular work', and 'fully decriminalising the industry makes women safe'. Because without these myths to hide behind, the sexist core of this trade becomes clear - and so does our ability to bring about change.

Pimp State: Sex, Money and the Future of Equality by Kat Banyard is out now (Faber & Faber, £12.99).

Read Laura Lee's post here.

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JayneAlpha · 25/07/2016 23:05

Xenophile: Please provide the independent research links. I realize the prohibitionist argument is based mostly on emotionalized statements not on facts or logic so I don't expect too much. Incidentally, insulting somebody doesn't help your argument.

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GayeDalton · 13/07/2016 00:47

DetestableHerytike

Odd.

Not in the real world.

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DetestableHerytike · 12/07/2016 23:39

But you have no issue with Gaye's tone, voyageofdad?

Odd.

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TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 16:56

One25 is the only organisation in Bristol specifically supporting street sex-working women. These women are amongst our city’s poorest and most vulnerable individuals. Each year we help around 230 women. 150 of whom are street sex-working.
Most of the women we see on the streets are homeless, acutely malnourished and addicted to drugs and/or alcohol, because of this their safety and health is neglected. We see women who are deeply traumatised – from childhood abuse and the violence of life on the streets. Each year our beneficiaries report many violent attacks against them. Yet these courageous women show tremendous skills and potential: in their supportive peer relationships, their creativity and humour and their survival.
Of the 150 women sex-working on the streets:
• 99% are addicted to one or more Class A drugs and/or alcohol: average age of first use was 13 years old
• All suffer from chronic ill health and half suffer from acute ill health (requiring immediate medical attention)
• 80% experience homelessness within any given year
• 92% suffer from malnutrition
• Women in street prostitution are 12 times more likely to be murdered than the normal rate for all women in the same age group in the UK

Of all the women we support:
• 100% have reported childhood abuse or neglect
• 38% have been through fostering or children’s homes*
• 32% left school at 14 or younger and only 41% have any qualifications
• Their age range is 18-55
Jeal, N and Salisbury, C (2004) Self reported experiences of health services among street based prostitutes’ British Medical Journal 65 pp 123. [Based on One25’s service users]

  • Jeal, N and Salisbury, C (2007) Health needs of parlour based prostitutes compared with street based prostitutes: a cross sectional survey’ International Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, 114 pp875-881. [Based on One25’s service users]
    One25’s own stats*
    Salfati, C. G. (2009) Prostitute Homicide: An Overview of the Literature and Comparison to Sexual and Non-Sexual Female Victim Homicide, pp. 51-68. In D. Canter, M. Ioannou, & D. Youngs (Eds.) Safer Sex in the City: The Experience and Management of Street Prostitution
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GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 14:25

TheRealPosieParker

I'm going to disengage with you. Perhaps some of the things about you online are untrue but I like to err on the side of caution.



No, seriously, you take EVERY word you can find as gospel...pretty please..
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TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 14:00

I'm going to disengage with you. Perhaps some of the things about you online are untrue but I like to err on the side of caution.

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GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 13:57

TheRealPosieParker

  1. I think I may know more about how I think than you do


  1. No idea, I never checked
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TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 12:43

Hey Gaye are you still banned from Wikipedia?

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TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 12:39

Gaye.... don't you have some slimy clients you need to attend to?


You regard misogynist as a compliment because you do hate women and you choose MRAs because you have more in common.

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GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 12:09

Vestal Virgin

Wake me up is you ever know what you are talking about and get bored with being deliberately offensive for the sake of it?

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GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 12:08

Actually harpy is routinely used by MRAs and you used it as a misogynist insult. Because YOU ARE A MISOGYNIST

Compared to the ghastly creature you think women ought to be I regard misogynist as a compliment.

(I have never heard an MRA use "harpy" and I have to use an MRA advocate for my personal needs as the feminists are too spiteful and vindictive)

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VestalVirgin · 12/07/2016 11:42

So you, who apparently have choosey choice chosen prostitution find it offensive to be called a prostitute? Yeah, sorry, but prostituted women who were forced into the rape industry do not want to be called "sex workers", or have this whole shit referred to as "sex work" and I think the feelings of rape victims matter a bit more than those of an oh-so-happy person whose only problem in prostitution is that we evil feminists want the punters criminalized.

Deal with it.

Prostitution makes men think that women are for sale. All women. I don't care about the occasional happy "sex worker". If you don't like to have punters criminalized, you can go and find another job.

I'm also supportive of regenerative energy, without a thought for those poor coal miners and oil platform workers who want to keep their jobs. So, yeah. Wellbeing of society as a whole is more important than your individual job.

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TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 11:34

VOYAGE....

Weirdly many feminists hate prostitution and the people that try and advocate for punters. strange but true

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TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 11:33

Actually harpy is routinely used by MRAs and you used it as a misogynist insult. Because YOU ARE A MISOGYNIST.

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GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 11:32

TheRealPosieParker

Actually "harpy" is an ancient Greek and Roman term

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy

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venusinscorpio · 12/07/2016 11:12

as a casual reader

LOL. But thanks so much for your important opinion on how women should speak about something they feel is important to them.

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TheRealPosieParker · 12/07/2016 11:09

Harpies?


Offensive misogynist term.

Anyone fancy bingo?

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FloraFox · 12/07/2016 11:02

Telling the ladies to speak nicely? Hmm

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VoyageOfDad · 12/07/2016 09:15

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 08:28

DetestableHerytike

Stop trying to gaslight me, it's never going to work.

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DetestableHerytike · 12/07/2016 06:59

Gaye, your posts are increasingly nonsensical and you are being far ruder to feminists (and Lass) than feminists (and Lass) are to you.

Pigeons and chessboards. Over and out.

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GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 03:10

OlennasWimple
And those are the first few hits (that got through my work firewall...) from a Google search on "prostitution decriminization consultation". But yeah, no one asks sex workers what they think hmm

Please do not twist my words, it is just irritating.

I made it quite clear I was talking about Abolitionist 3rd wave feminists, and public discussion on equal terms.

However, Amnesty International has come out in favour of full decriminalisation, despite abolitionist 3rd wave feminists being FLOWN in to wander around the hotel stuffing fliers under doors and pestering and intimidating delegates. (The hotel is very near my home).

The "California" consultation was, in fact a California submission to a Scottish consultation set out by an MSP who supports us in respect of a private members' bill.

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OlennasWimple · 12/07/2016 02:33

Public consultation in Canada

Public consultation in California

Amnesty International consultation

And those are the first few hits (that got through my work firewall...) from a Google search on "prostitution decriminization consultation". But yeah, no one asks sex workers what they think Hmm

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GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 01:00

LassWiTheDelicateAir

The simple courtesy between equals is a very personal thing. If I tell you I find the word "prostitute" offensive and you keep using it and openly insisting I accept that you are being DELIBERATELY OFFENSIVE - to me (AKA deliberately attacking) and being quite cold blooded and complex about it too.

You know this perfectly well so stop pretending you don't because that kind of abuse will never wash with me.

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GayeDalton · 12/07/2016 00:58

OlennasWimple

It is the barefaced deceit, ruthless ignorance, and self serving corruption that I have seen abolitionists bring to this issue with my own eyes that requires them excluded, and frankly, will prejudice me against 3rd wave feminism for the rest of my life (if they can play that dirty with sex workers lives they can do it with anything, and I have caught 'em out too.)

...and believe me, cynic as I always was, what I have seen has shocked me rigid, in ways I did not need to be shocked.

They are not impartial, they are not honest, they are consistently abusive and they are antagonistic to the most basic needs and rights of sex workers as human beings.

Worse (in a way) they are so busy finding out ways to manipulate the issue that they have never bothered to learn any of the facts at all.

#Nobody has ever agreed to sit down with sex workers as equal in public discussion.
#Nobody has ever consulted sex workers about their lives.
#Nobody has even consulted sex workers about what they would need to get out of sex work without undeserved hardship.


They just make us, and our lives up, as they go along, which is of no use to anyone.

...and really, seriously, I do not think sex workers or interior designers would have much useful contribution to make to a discussion on nursing.

It is unheard of for "feminists" (or anyone) to impose representation represent women not only without mandate but against their active opposition, it is ridiculous...

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