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MumsnetGuestPosts · 01/03/2016 15:50

Next week, for two of seven days, your hospitals and general practices will be emptied of their junior doctors. We'll still be there covering the emergencies, but non-urgent care will carry on without us. I'll wake up, I have no doubt, feeling queasy with guilt, and will drag a heavy heart to the picket line.

No one wins in an industrial dispute that's become as toxic as it is tiresome, but for the public – who are by far the biggest losers – patience must be wearing exceedingly thin.

I'm haunted by the fear that you must listen to both sides, government and doctors, insisting they prioritise patient safety above everything, while feeling thoroughly sick and tired with the whole lot of us.

When helping is ingrained in what you do, leaving those for whom you care feels wretched. And yet – yet again – I'll be on strike next week. Like 98% of junior doctors, I feel the government has left me no choice. Because for all the heartache and frustration next week's strike will provoke for patients, the alternative is so much worse.

David Cameron would have you believe this dispute is about nothing more noble than our pay packets. He has a vision, he will tell you, of a "truly seven-day NHS" – which only the avarice of junior doctors stands in the way of. But this is not a pay dispute. None of us chose medicine to get rich quick, and none of us are asking for more money.

This is a matter of putting patients first. As someone who already works one weekend in four on the frontline of the NHS, I'm pretty certain the strength of my desire for better weekend services vastly outstrips my Prime Minister's. I desperately want the CT and MRI scanners my patients need up and running on Saturdays and Sundays. I desperately want their biopsies processed, their lab results calculated, as swiftly at the weekend as any other day.

What I want for my patients, in essence, is the small army of NHS staff who provide care five days a week, on duty for seven.

But – and this is the crux of the matter – what I will never do is pretend that you can have a "seven-day NHS" without funding it. David Cameron claims he cares about patient safety at weekends, yet he's pledged not one single extra pound towards an improved weekend hospital service. Instead, his government's cheapskate solution is to stretch an already broken workforce of juniors so that we provide seven days care for the price of five. That's not a pledge, it's a scam.

What you need, to put weekends on a par with weekdays, is a whole new raft of staff, safely delivering new weekend services. Jeremy Hunt's own Department of Health has estimated – in figures leaked to the Guardian newspaper – that a seven-day NHS requires 11,000 more staff, 4000 of which are doctors. Yet right now, across the UK, thousands of NHS nursing and doctor posts lie vacant. BBC Freedom of Information requests have just revealed that the NHS currently has 6000 too few doctors. The gaps in our rotas already endanger our patients. If we are forced to work more thinly across seven days, what you will get in a "truly seven-day NHS" is a workforce of junior doctors who are too demoralised, too overworked and too exhausted to do a decent job for you. We have nothing left to give as it is, and burned out doctors are a threat to patient safety.

My duty as a doctor is therefore to strike. But as a mother of two young children, as well as junior doctor, I don't want my strike days to be spent in vain. Next week, on 9th-10th March, for any Mumsnetters who'd like them, junior doctors are ready and waiting to provide local basic life support training sessions aimed at mothers with babies and young children in particular. Our #littlelifesavers sessions will teach you with the skills to handle an emergency with your child, such as choking or stopping breathing. Every #littlelifesavers group of doctors will include a qualified advanced life support instructor. Please email [email protected] if you'd like us to set up a local session with you. We'll try our very hardest to make this happen.

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PausingFlatly · 02/03/2016 13:36

BTW, the French like their healthcare system. But they also describe it as an "Unidentified Financial Object", and it's long been financed by deficits.

"The Gallic attitude towards community is very different from the English-speaking world; the French spend more, and the deficit has to be financed. But at the end of the day, overspending seems unreal to the individual: it's the general public's problem, not his."
The French propensity for consulting multiple physicians and consuming more medication than any other nationality has deepened the trou de la Socu - literally, the social-security hole, a debt of approximately 350 billion francs that the state has devised two taxes to finance: the RDS (reimbursement of social debt), which consumes 6 per cent of the average salary, and the CSG (general social contribution).
The result, says Caquet, is a good but very expensive system, with a lot of wastage. It is, he says, blurry, badly organised and costly - but people are well cared for.
Irish Times: "Where equality comes first"

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 02/03/2016 13:51

Pausing I think we have come a fairly long way from the point of the original OP, but I believe that the main difference between the funding of the NHS and those systems you have outlined is that an element of co-pay makes up the % difference, i.e. part of the cash come from the individual patient rather than the taxpayer.

Frankly, you could throw the national debt at the NHS and it would still have some employees who should never be allowed near patients. Thankfully they are a tiny minority.

PausingFlatly · 02/03/2016 13:54

(Not that I'm in favour of adding an additional layer of bureaucracy, creating a two-tier NHS, and diverting healthcare spend from the frontline into shareholders' pockets. But even if the UK follows current govt programmes to do exactly that, it doesn't magic up extra services for the same spend.)

tuesday123 · 02/03/2016 14:31

lavenderdoilly how exactly is the OP trying to enlist support by pretending to be guardians of the NHS?

I think there's a lot of factual evidence that she presents there and I don't think she's trying to enlist support but is explaining junior doctors motives for taking industrial action.

It would be a sad way to live if you were constantly doubting the people who dedicate their life to caring for others and I appreciate your view must be skewed because of your past experience, but doctors are only human too. Mistakes happen, and drawing from my son's surgery a mistake happened (although of no serious consequence but he is left with a large scar on his tummy) but I believe the doctors did what they thought was right at the time. My second child who was septic was discharged from hospital the night before our nanny called an ambulance out - but I don't blame the NHS staff. They acted on the information they had at the time and sometimes things do go wrong or you can't predict whats going to happen. Thats where I think taking responsibility for your own health is important.

Maybe I have a glorified view of our NHS or maybe I just realise that doctors aren't gods but just do their job to the best of their ability in difficult working environments. I'm just grateful for the care we have received.

lavenderdoilly · 02/03/2016 14:39

I've lost my faith in nhs. You haven't, Tuesday. That doesn't mean I've abdicated responsibility for my health or my loved ones' health. I am a bit tired of seeing jds with banners saying Save The NHS as if people who don't back them 100 percent don't care about the NHS. I know mistakes can happen but covering them up is inexcusable. Too many docs and nurses did it at Mid Staffs and elsewhere for them to assume I will support them just because they ask me to.

tuesday123 · 02/03/2016 14:43

Younggirl i don't think we have drifted away from the OP. I think the key issue is that the NHS is underfunded but yet being asked to provide more for less. The original poster was making a comment on having a 7 day NHS for 5 days staff (and pay)
If you want the best people doing the job you have to reward them appropriately so they are attracted to the job. If you pay peanuts (not referring to doctors) you'll get a lower quality of staff.

This may be very controversial but I do find that from my experience the staff who are trained in the UK are better (I would include the South East asian nurses in that as well). So yes, there may be potential to hire more staff from developing countries to fill the gaps, but I think the quality of care may suffer.

(I eagerly await the avalanche of racist abuse to head my way......)

weegiemum · 02/03/2016 14:47

I'm married to a GP who was a junior back in the days of 96 hour standard rotas and there was covering others holidays on top of that. He still works 60-70 hr weeks but that's not as bad.

Both of us totally support the junior docs though it's not an issue in Scotland.

tuesday123 · 02/03/2016 14:48

lavenderdoilly as I said, I don't think OP was asking for your support merely stating her view and alerting us to the basic life support skills being made available.
With regards to their banners, you have people on here like young girl who's keen to get a privatised system going. There's privatisation of various services going on already. I can see how if doctors leave the country because of harsh working conditions, it will leave to the failure of the NHS.
And did Drs and nurses cover up mistakes??! You keep saying that, but weren't issues reported to managers who chose not to act on concerns?

lavenderdoilly · 02/03/2016 14:57

I am not impressed by this "It's all management's fault". If you see someone suffering as a result of poor care you have a moral responsibility to do what you can. These are highly educated articulate people who could have found a way round any restrictions on whistle blowing that may have prevailed at the time.
By the way, shoddy care, in my experience has been delivered to me by UK trained and non UK trained staff.

lavenderdoilly · 02/03/2016 15:14

And I've had great care from both UK trained and non UK trained staff.

PinkFondantFancy · 02/03/2016 15:19

You have my support OP.

tuesday123 · 02/03/2016 15:30

lavenderdoilly You are tarnishing the whole of the NHS based on mid staffs.

You are saying on one hand that theres a moral responsibility to do what you can if you see someone suffering but yet you show no empathy towards doctors and nurses who are telling you now that they can't work anymore and are struggling to deliver the care they want to. Whats your answer? Bash them even more? Not listen to them? Or do you just want to wait for another mid staffs and then blame the doctors and nurses again for any failings?!

In my opinion people can only work so hard. Doctors in particular are some of the hardest working people in the country in order to get where they are. If they are saying enough is enough, they can't do anymore, then that means they can't give anymore. There's no point in being bitter about what ever has happened in your past (for your own sanity as you're going to be relying on these people to look after you). Just give them a break and stop blaming a whole workforce for one hospitals errors.

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 02/03/2016 15:30

At no point have I said I favour a privatized system Tuesday - it might improve the quality of this debate if you could stop misquoting me. Reading comprehension is obviously very underrated! I have said that I favour a social insurance based system as in France.

And since my DH is an immigrant then yes, I do take issue with your previous post. I have reported it.

meddie · 02/03/2016 15:37

To be fair on mid staffs , nurses did put in 100 incident forms raising concerns about staffing levels affecting care. They were ignored. But this wasnt really raised in the media as it suited the spin of the time to say it was wholly down to staff lacking in compassion and care. I dont doubt there were some horrors, but I cant imagine how soul destoying it would have been to work in that culture and how you would have to emotionally switch off just to survive it.
manwww.nursingtimes.net/roles/nurse-managers/mid-staffs-nurses-concerns-ignored/5031657.fullarticle

tuesday123 · 02/03/2016 15:40

young girl well you're just being petty now. UK medical training is the best in the world - with that comes better quality doctors. You clearly choose to ignore facts you don't like. It doesn't seem to do your husband any harm though with his lucrative private income he's got running on the side.

And then to have the cheek to be rude about my comprehension when I never even quoted you.
Get off your high horse!

Chipstick10 · 02/03/2016 15:44

You don't have my support

lavenderdoilly · 02/03/2016 15:47

Tuesday, my negative views of the nhs are based on my experience at my local hospital not mid Staffs. My own local hospital was heavily criticised by Keogh and my own gp supported me in not getting my ms care there "because it is so shit" after my dreadful maternity care experience. My default position used to be support the nhs and all who work for it. My default position now is hope for good care but don’t put up with poor care anymore.

tuesday123 · 02/03/2016 15:56

Personally I think NHS staff do a fantastic job and I am keen to express my gratitude. lavenderdoilly if poor care was to become the norm across the country then that suggests to me that there is failing at higher levels such as in funding and training. Failings at individuals levels imply that individuals are accountable for their actions but if the system is falling apart then that suggests to me that its not frontline staff to blame but those in management/governement.

TheFairyCaravan · 02/03/2016 15:59

Who says UK medical training is the best in the world? Where is the research to back that statement up?

longjumping · 02/03/2016 16:22

I have paid a lot of my taxes to train all these junior doctors. They knew exactly what they were doing when they went to medical school. They want paying overtime for Saturdays.
I support the Government's view.
You have all taken the Hippocratic Oath.
Stop wining and go back to work. Your contract should make you work in the NHS until you have repaid your training costs.

Hotbot · 02/03/2016 16:33

NHS worker of 25 yrs here , moved to the private sector now, make no mistake this strike is about money, and there is dreadful mud slinging on both sides. Scanners and radiology services are supported in my area 7 days a week...... Often on existing staff at lower grades , why should doctors think cuts shouldn't affect them she cost saving at ever other staffing level has been ? I do not support the strike

Nosleepginger · 02/03/2016 17:23

I'm a mum of a junior doctor and have mixed feelings about the strike. I can understand that the JDs feel they have no other way of making the government listen and are backed into a corner with the imposition. Morale is very low. But I unfortunately don't think it will make any difference as the govt imposed the contract the day after the last strike. Public opinion is crucial and the strike could potentially be damaging to this. However I do not know what they can do instead -accept it or as many are choosing to do -take a break from training or move away?

I understand the Junior doctors case after seeing the new rotas posted by NHS Employers. At the moment there are many rota gaps and this will only get worse with the new contract when they are spread thinner.

However I am very confused how the BMA's stance about plain time/unsocial pay for Saturdays will make a difference to this? I think the BMA should make it clearer what they are/were negotiating for to achieve safer rotas with the new contract.

tuesday123 · 02/03/2016 21:40

nosleepinger Didn't the BMA come up with a cost neutral pay packet by maintaining the weekend premium pay by taking hits in other areas of doctors pay? And didn't it get approved by all members of the negotiating teams on both sides, but then rejected by Jeremy Hunt? I'm not sure if that is true, but when I read it in the papers that sounded really dodgy to me and made me think this was more a political game than anything to do with patient safety.

And correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the BMA made up of doctors? I simply trust doctors a lot more than I trust politicians. I'm sure the BMA are good at selling their arguments but I doubt they have the same resources that the government have in manipulating the public.

CrazyMary · 03/03/2016 01:35

There's two old saying "You're health is your wealth" and "you don't know how good you have had it, until what you had is gone"
Unfortunately the Government and NHS think the only wealth that matters is money. NHS's loss is Australia's gain. Australia is benefitting from other Countries mistakes, and gaining a fully trained, fully educated and skilled work force.
I fully support the Doctors.

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