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Guest post: "Abortion must be decriminalised"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 09/02/2016 15:07

In December, Natalie Towers, a young mother from Durham, was sentenced for ending her pregnancy at 32 weeks using pills she'd bought online.

When a woman feels she has no choice but to cause her own abortion in this way, you would hope that she would be viewed with compassion, and not treated as a criminal. Unfortunately, this is not the case: she was jailed for two-and-a-half years.

This tragic rare case highlights a broader issue that affects us all: from Belfast to Brighton, pregnant women's decisions about what to do with their own bodies are policed by the criminal law. In every nation of the UK a woman can go to prison for ending her own pregnancy without the legal authorisation of doctors – from the moment a fertilised egg implants.

The 1861 Offences Against the Person Act threatens life imprisonment to any woman who ends her own pregnancy. This is the harshest punishment for self-induced abortion of any country in Europe, bar the Republic of Ireland.

The 1967 Abortion Act is often seen as a victory of the women's rights movement, but it didn't actually overwrite the 1861 Act – rather, it opened up loopholes. Now, a woman is exempt from prosecution when two doctors certify that she meets certain criteria; most commonly that her mental or physical health would suffer if she were forced to continue her pregnancy. In other words, it is perfectly lawful for a woman to be forced to continue a pregnancy if doctors judge her able to cope with the child.

Women's agency is painted entirely out of the picture. Responsibility is turned over to doctors in a way that doesn't happen with any other routine medical procedure. While the work of committed medical professionals means that most women can get the abortion they need, this is beside the point. The criminalisation of abortion makes a mockery of the equal status that women fight for in every other area of life, represents discrimination against women, and stigmatises the one in three women who will have an abortion. Women should not have to battle outdated Victorian legislation for control over their reproductive rights.

Abortion is a medical procedure that has emancipated women, enabling them to have children at the time they think is right with the person of their choosing. It is accepted as a back-up when contraception fails, or when we fail to use it as well as we might; it is an established part of family planning, and is commissioned and funded by the NHS. It therefore makes no sense that it sits within a criminal framework. It runs entirely counter to all principles of bodily autonomy and patient-centred care to deny a woman the right to make her own decisions about whether to accept the physical imposition and risks posed by pregnancy and childbirth.

Our neighbours in France, Sweden and the Netherlands do not send women to prison for inducing their own miscarriages. Even Poland, where abortion is all but outlawed, does not prosecute women who cause their own abortions. The use of the criminal law to punish women in the UK serves no purpose. It is not a deterrent, as any woman who feels desperate enough to try to end her own pregnancy will find a way to do so, and it cannot be seen as an appropriate punishment for a heinous crime, given that legal abortions are approved every day.

Taking abortion out of the criminal law and regulating it like other healthcare services won't lead to unsafe care. Outside of the criminal law, abortion services are already tightly regulated, with regular inspections by the Care Quality Commission. Doctors, nurses and midwives work to strict guidelines and are bound by their professional bodies. Women do not currently turn to unqualified providers for any other form of NHS healthcare, and there is no reason why they would do so for termination services.

Taking abortion out of the criminal law would not lead to more women such as the young mother from Durham ending their pregnancies at home at 32 weeks, in the same way as keeping it there won't stop another woman in equally desperate straits from doing the same. But removing threats of prosecution and prison might make her more likely to seek help – and perhaps her story would have a different ending.

But above all, taking abortion out of the criminal law would be a statement of where we see women today – capable of making their own decisions in pregnancy as the ones who must carry the consequences of that pregnancy, whether it continues or ends. Changing this ancient law will be a symbol of just how far we have come since 1861.

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larrygrylls · 10/02/2016 19:42

Another Emma,

I am sorry, I don't believe you make this strong foetus/baby distinction outside abortion discussions, when it suits your beliefs.

Do you really correct heavily pregnant friends when they talk of their unborn babies? Or even really believe that a 30 something week foetus is anything other than an unborn baby?

I think 'killing babies' is a disgustingly emotive way to discuss early abortion. I also think 'terminating a foetus' is a disgustingly glib way of describing what the woman in the OP's post did.

ispymincepie · 10/02/2016 19:47

Obviously if every unwanted pregnancy was continued there would be enormous numbers of children born that society would be unable to care for. I would hope however that if women weren't able to get an abortion so easily that there would be fewer unwanted pregnancies. A lot of the reasons in that link for late term terminations were not what I would call heartbreaking. Teenagers who 'only had sex once' or grown women who 'missed several pills but had unprotected sex anyway' in my opinion it's stupidity. Not that these particular examples should necessarily be denied an abortion but rather how as a society we can stop this happening in the first place.

teddyroll · 10/02/2016 19:57

But the emotional pain of having a baby you don't want who you'll either have to take care of for the next 20 years or give up for adoption is different to knowing that your wish to not have a child was respected and - although physically and emotionally hard - you won't have an unwanted baby at the end of labour (which incidentally will be controlled and managed differently).

I just don't think that restricting access to abortion stops unwanted conception and makes people more careful with contraception. I don't think contraception failure happens because people are thinking "I have abortion as a back up plan" - hormones and desire and illness and life just get in the way of effective contraception sometimes. The only way we'll have fewer unwanted pregnancies is if attitudes to sex changed - except men don't get pregnant so they would carry on as before and women would be controlled and penalised like they used to be

itsbetterthanabox · 10/02/2016 20:00

Fakename
The mother doesn't need to go into labour. If abortion providers use intact dilation and extraction then she doesn't need to labour or give birth.

ispymincepie · 10/02/2016 20:08

I'm not sure I want to ask but can you elaborate Itsbetter? It sounds horribly dangerous. I've worked in maternity and seen women delivering full term stillborn babies in cases where they already knew the 'foetus' had died. They all laboured and gave birth. Curious to learn about this safe and pain free alternative option.

KittyandTeal · 10/02/2016 20:18

I'm pretty sure the procedure you are talking about itsbetter is only available up to possibly 16 weeks.

Not that I minded but the only option open to me was to be induced and give birth to a, then, stillborn baby. That was 22 weeks. I know a fair few women who have had tfmr around 14-22 weeks and I'm pretty sure the surgical options are only open at younger gestations (I may be wrong about 16 weeks but I'm pretty sure it's around there)

msrisotto · 10/02/2016 20:20

Well thanks for being here to police our discussion larry. Glad to hear we're all doing it wrong. How would we know if you weren't here to say?

itsbetterthanabox · 10/02/2016 20:28

It isn't available on the NHS but is available in other countries including the USA.
The cervix is dilated with laminaria tents then the foetus is turned to breach and the body pulled out of the cervix apart from the head. Then an incision is made in the back of the skull and suction empties it. This now means it collapses and can be pulled with ease out of the cervix. Then suction clears the uterus.
It can be used in 2nd and 3rd trimester and is a quick outpatient procedure.
This shows women don't have to give birth either way.

user838383 · 10/02/2016 20:33

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PalmerViolet · 10/02/2016 20:34

Well quite Msrisotto, what with this discussion having such a huge bearing on anything he will ever have to go through and everything...

KittyandTeal · 10/02/2016 20:34

Ah I see itsbetter.

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itsbetterthanabox · 10/02/2016 20:38

Boopsy that is your opinion. Thankfully no one is telling you to have an abortion.
What other women do is nothing to do with you.

user838383 · 10/02/2016 20:46

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Thurlow · 10/02/2016 20:56

Those posters who are happy with the current cut off, or even wish to see it lowered - what do you think about women who can't have an abortion because they miss the deadline by two days? Because they are young girl, scared, only forced to admit what is happening to them when it starts to become obvious?

TheWanderingUterus · 10/02/2016 20:58

Ways to lower abortion rates:

Excellent sex and health education - get rid of myths. For both sexes.
Get rid of poverty, poor living conditions
More assistance for drug addicted/alcoholic/homeless women
Eliminate rape/domestic violence/ coercive relationships
100% effective contraception with no side effects
Emotional and financial support for pregnant women and new mothers
Help for women with mental illnesses, including better and faster treatments for postnatal depression etc.
Help for women in less than ideal situations
Listening to and trusting women

No evidence that restricting abortion does anything other than causing increased maternal (and foetal) death rates.

christinarossetti · 10/02/2016 21:00

larry see my earlier post re the legal difference between a foetus and baby. Me and other posters can't explain this in more simple terms.

I also said that of course when I was pregnant, I thought about 'my baby' rather than 'my foetus'. It's the law that makes a distinction between the two, and is very specific about what constitutes 'life'.

I still call my baby that died 'my baby' rather than 'my ashes', although she's not a 'baby' in a legal sense.

duckyneedsaclean · 10/02/2016 21:02

itsbetterthanabox

Bloody hell. How can you write so coolly about something so horrific.

christinarossetti · 10/02/2016 21:03

The other big contradiction in the anti-abortion argument is stating that 'I could never have an abortion' whilst simultaneously denying other women the right to say 'I don't want to be pregnant' or 'I don't want this baby'.

Surely if you believe you have the right to make your own reproductive choices, that should be extended to other women.

CultureSucksDownWords · 10/02/2016 21:06

I wish that women were treated as competent (as men are) and were allowed to have complete autonomy over their bodies at all times.

I find it hard to imagine a situation where I would need to have a late term abortion, or even an abortion much beyond 12 weeks. But I would absolutely not want to tell another women that she cannot. I certainly wouldn't criminalise women who might need to do so.

duckyneedsaclean · 10/02/2016 21:11

Out of interest, what do those who support the woman in the op think of this, similar case?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9548293/Mother-who-aborted-baby-in-final-week-of-pregnancy-jailed-for-eight-years.html

PalmerViolet · 10/02/2016 21:19

She made a choice about her body.

Not a choice I would make, but then, I'm not her and have no say in what she does with her uterus.

itsbetterthanabox · 10/02/2016 21:19

Ducky
How would you prefer I described it? Someone asked about the medical procedure so I answered.

duckyneedsaclean · 10/02/2016 21:23

She didn't make a decision about her uterus though, did she? She made a decision about her child. Her uterus carried on as it would have done.

Anyway, I'm off to bed to cry at the state of the world.

itsbetterthanabox · 10/02/2016 21:26

Ducky
I think that the unsafe situation could have been prevented if she had been able to obtain the abortion she requested at Marie stopes at 29 weeks.
This is what happens when we make abortion illegal-people do it themselves instead.