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Guest post: "Abortion must be decriminalised"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 09/02/2016 15:07

In December, Natalie Towers, a young mother from Durham, was sentenced for ending her pregnancy at 32 weeks using pills she'd bought online.

When a woman feels she has no choice but to cause her own abortion in this way, you would hope that she would be viewed with compassion, and not treated as a criminal. Unfortunately, this is not the case: she was jailed for two-and-a-half years.

This tragic rare case highlights a broader issue that affects us all: from Belfast to Brighton, pregnant women's decisions about what to do with their own bodies are policed by the criminal law. In every nation of the UK a woman can go to prison for ending her own pregnancy without the legal authorisation of doctors – from the moment a fertilised egg implants.

The 1861 Offences Against the Person Act threatens life imprisonment to any woman who ends her own pregnancy. This is the harshest punishment for self-induced abortion of any country in Europe, bar the Republic of Ireland.

The 1967 Abortion Act is often seen as a victory of the women's rights movement, but it didn't actually overwrite the 1861 Act – rather, it opened up loopholes. Now, a woman is exempt from prosecution when two doctors certify that she meets certain criteria; most commonly that her mental or physical health would suffer if she were forced to continue her pregnancy. In other words, it is perfectly lawful for a woman to be forced to continue a pregnancy if doctors judge her able to cope with the child.

Women's agency is painted entirely out of the picture. Responsibility is turned over to doctors in a way that doesn't happen with any other routine medical procedure. While the work of committed medical professionals means that most women can get the abortion they need, this is beside the point. The criminalisation of abortion makes a mockery of the equal status that women fight for in every other area of life, represents discrimination against women, and stigmatises the one in three women who will have an abortion. Women should not have to battle outdated Victorian legislation for control over their reproductive rights.

Abortion is a medical procedure that has emancipated women, enabling them to have children at the time they think is right with the person of their choosing. It is accepted as a back-up when contraception fails, or when we fail to use it as well as we might; it is an established part of family planning, and is commissioned and funded by the NHS. It therefore makes no sense that it sits within a criminal framework. It runs entirely counter to all principles of bodily autonomy and patient-centred care to deny a woman the right to make her own decisions about whether to accept the physical imposition and risks posed by pregnancy and childbirth.

Our neighbours in France, Sweden and the Netherlands do not send women to prison for inducing their own miscarriages. Even Poland, where abortion is all but outlawed, does not prosecute women who cause their own abortions. The use of the criminal law to punish women in the UK serves no purpose. It is not a deterrent, as any woman who feels desperate enough to try to end her own pregnancy will find a way to do so, and it cannot be seen as an appropriate punishment for a heinous crime, given that legal abortions are approved every day.

Taking abortion out of the criminal law and regulating it like other healthcare services won't lead to unsafe care. Outside of the criminal law, abortion services are already tightly regulated, with regular inspections by the Care Quality Commission. Doctors, nurses and midwives work to strict guidelines and are bound by their professional bodies. Women do not currently turn to unqualified providers for any other form of NHS healthcare, and there is no reason why they would do so for termination services.

Taking abortion out of the criminal law would not lead to more women such as the young mother from Durham ending their pregnancies at home at 32 weeks, in the same way as keeping it there won't stop another woman in equally desperate straits from doing the same. But removing threats of prosecution and prison might make her more likely to seek help – and perhaps her story would have a different ending.

But above all, taking abortion out of the criminal law would be a statement of where we see women today – capable of making their own decisions in pregnancy as the ones who must carry the consequences of that pregnancy, whether it continues or ends. Changing this ancient law will be a symbol of just how far we have come since 1861.

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christinarossetti · 12/02/2016 21:37

Maybe they didn't self-abort. Maybe they were forced to carry a baby they didn't want and had no idea how they would care for until full term.

That's a vile situation to put anyone in, and only adds to the case to remove the time limit on abortion imvho.

christinarossetti · 12/02/2016 21:40

That's part of the problem with an imposed time limit.

No-one actually has any idea about the numbers of women who self-abort to try unsuccessfully to.

Imaging the numbers are vanishingly small is meaningless. Obviously it's not going to be something that anyone discusses openly.

fakenamefornow · 12/02/2016 21:40

Thankfully the law and public opinion doesn't agree with you.

differentnameforthis · 12/02/2016 21:43

PurpleDaisies So your choice as to whether you adopt or not is none of my business...yet you make what women do to their bodies YOURS??

Hmm...Interesting

fakenamefornow My mother didn't want me...slightly different circs in that it was my father who refused to let her abort. So she tried herself. Actions included throwing her self down the stairs & worse, which, out of respect for some on this thread, I will not go into. Needless to say, she didn't achieve it. Yet she left me with a life long disability, that although doesn't affect my life (just the I see myself, and my self confidence) it is still a reminder of what she did..everyday!

It affected our relationship life long. We don't actually have one now, haven't spoken for over 20yrs. Her hatred for what I represented evident to me daily until I left home.

This is what unwanted pregnancies do to people. Just because there is no follow up to that list, doesn't mean that every single pregnancy on it concluded with a live healthy baby.

NameChange30 · 12/02/2016 21:46

differentname Flowers

NameChange30 · 12/02/2016 21:47

(Flowers feel completely inadequate but that's the best I could do!)

PurpleDaisies · 12/02/2016 21:47

How about leaving the caps lock button alone differentname? There really is no need for it. I am not making anyone do anything to their bodies. It's the law in this country.

I'm sorry you had a difficult relationship with your mother. It doesn't change my view that healthy 32 week foetuses should not be killed.

NameChange30 · 12/02/2016 21:54

Apparently the abortion police are also the caps lock police Grin

Princessnicki22 · 12/02/2016 22:00

I like to think that I am quite empathetic when it comes to this subject, despite my personal beliefs that abortion is wrong I have been able to provide support to people close to me that have chosen to terminate their pregnancies. Although the lines are blurred as to what point a foetus becomes a baby, all of the individuals I have known have had abortions very early in the pregnancies, whether for medical reasons or emotional, none of the decisions have been taken lightly from what I could tell.
However, 32 weeks is far far too late for this to happen, my baby was born only 6 weeks later at 38 weeks and was a healthy 9lb 11oz, a full formed human baby! This individual who did this because they decided they could not cope was sentanced rightly in my eyes, I see this particular case as murder. I have a friend who suffered with terrible post natal depression, if she had done something to her babies I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be people fighting the corner of 'they were her babies, it was her decision'.

christinarossetti · 12/02/2016 22:05

The legal line isn't at all blurred about when a foetus becomes a baby.

It's at the moment of live birth.

An abortion isn't murder in the eyes of the law: it's not the same as killing a live child.

The law is absolutely clear on that.

Princessnicki22 · 12/02/2016 22:09

Christinarosetti, I know what the law says I am meaning that there is often debate amongst opinions. You for examp,e think that a foetus becomes a baby at birth, I believed that my foetus was a baby when I seen her during my scans and when I spoke to her through my belly.

christinarossetti · 12/02/2016 22:29

Me too. As I said upthread, I still call my baby that died 'my baby' rather than 'my ashes'.

But she's no more a baby in the eyes of the law than one still inside their mother.

My point is that an abortion at any stage isn't the same as murder. Abortion describes an intervention in a pregnancy whilst murder is the intentional killing of someone who is alive.

duckyneedsaclean · 12/02/2016 22:52

All you keep saying is that they are legally called different things. Not any physical difference.

I just can't get my head around someone thinking, logically, that a foetus has no rights one minute, and after moving a couple of inches has a plethora of rights.

At what point does the baby gain it's own right to life? While travelling down the birth canal? Once crowning? Once the cord is cut? Once it takes is first breath?

And, by the way, the law calls causing the death of a child capable of life independent of its mother child destruction, not abortion. (Tfmr after 24weeks are exempted from this law).

itsbetterthanabox · 12/02/2016 23:06

Fakename
Many of the women requesting the late term abortion legally wouldn't necessarily have gone ahead with it even if they had been legally allowed. Many more women enquire than actually go ahead at any stage.
Yes some of those women may have had a baby they desperately didn't want and been forced to suffer. And some, a very few will dangerously self abort- something that wouldn't happen if they could access safe legal late term abortion.

itsbetterthanabox · 12/02/2016 23:11

Princessnicki
Abortion is not comparable at all to killing a born baby. A baby is an independent human being. A foetus is not, it is dependent on another persons body.

duckyneedsaclean · 12/02/2016 23:18

A baby is still entirely dependant once born.

NameChange30 · 12/02/2016 23:25

ducky

"Not any physical difference."
There is a physical difference. It's blindingly obvious. It's already been stated on this thread, but I'll say it again since you're having trouble reading. A foetus is INSIDE the mother's body. A baby is OUTSIDE. Got it?

"A baby is still entirely dependant [sic] when born."
Not necessarily on its mother though. A baby can be looked after by anyone (breastfed by a wet nurse or formula fed by literally anyone). But a foetus is dependent on its mother's body in every way. It can only breathe independently after it's born.

NameChange30 · 12/02/2016 23:27

"moving a couple of inches"

Have you ever given birth? I haven't, but even I know that your description of childbirth is laughable. And frankly insulting.

duckyneedsaclean · 12/02/2016 23:28

A woman has an elective c-section. The surgeon makes the incision. Prepares to remove the foetus/baby. She says "Actually doc, I've finally made my mind up now. I want an abortion" Surgeon kills foetus before removing it.

That should cause you no problems if you think abortion to term is the inate right of a woman, and it's only a foetus anyway?

duckyneedsaclean · 12/02/2016 23:30

And yes, I have given birth. The foetus moves from the womb down the vagina. Which is not very far.

CultureSucksDownWords · 12/02/2016 23:31

Do you even think that would ever happen? Is it impossible for you to consider that women are capable people who can make their own decisions?

NameChange30 · 12/02/2016 23:33

Your "logic" makes no sense whatsoever ducky. And your scenario is fantasy. It wouldn't happen.

duckyneedsaclean · 12/02/2016 23:36

Yes, it's a very fanciful hypothetical.

But it doesn't contradict any of your views - abortion to term for any reason. The foetus has no right to life until independent of the mother.

CultureSucksDownWords · 12/02/2016 23:38

Yes you're right, it isn't contradictory. But it would never happen. You have a very dim view of women if you think it is even slightly likely.

NameChange30 · 12/02/2016 23:42

It DOES contradict my views. My view is that I trust women to make decisions. In the unlikely event that a woman wanted a late term abortion I would expect her to get extensive advice and support before the decision was confirmed. I do not for one moment believe a woman would decide to get an abortion on a whim at the very last moment. If childbirth was in progress (vaginal or c section) it would be too late anyway.

Tbh the fact that you think a woman would do that is an indication of your contempt for women.

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