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Guest post: "I fear the eradication of Down's syndrome"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/11/2015 17:29

On the day Natty was born, I wasn't sure I was up to being her mother. Ignorance took over. Everything I thought I knew about Down's syndrome was a smattering of outdated stereotypes, all of which have subsequently been proved wrong.

In eight years, we have come so far as a family, risen to challenges, endured heart surgery, made adjustments and learnt to slow our pace and live in the moment. I wouldn't change any of it. I am a better person now. The pregnant woman I was, whose heart was filled with fear at the words Down's syndrome, now shakes her head in disbelief.

I've been bleary-eyed over research for this post. And, in fact, as I rose at 5.30am, drafts of what I would write very much in my mind, there was one member of our busy household who noticed my pensiveness. Natty drew me down to her face level, looked intuitively at me and said 'It's OK Mummy.'

I held her so tight, and made a silent promise into her warm hair, a promise that I would do my best to convey her worth to the world.

Because while we praise advances in healthcare and women's control over their reproductive lives, there is an important ethical debate I fear is being overlooked.

A new non-invasive prenatal test (NIPT) could help identify women whose babies have Down's syndrome. The test involves taking a sample of blood from the mother and it uses this to detect the baby's DNA.

At the moment, the NIPT test is available privately, but it could soon be rolled out by the NHS as part of their population screening programme. The UK National Screening Committee has just ended consultation over offering it - it can only be added to the programme if there is a beneficial reason for doing so.

However, there is no health gain in diagnosing Down's syndrome during pregnancy. It cannot be treated or prevented. It simply allows parents to decide whether to continue a pregnancy to term or not.

There are ethical implications to genetic testing, but no easy answers. The UNESCO International Bioethics Committee says that genetic testing can offer women the right of choice. However, it could also become routine that ill or disabled children are not to given the choice of birth at all.

So giving women choice whilst not devaluing individuals with Down's syndrome is a fine line to tread.

We must ensure that parents are given unbiased, updated information in order to make informed choices. There can be no assumption that those with Down's syndrome are not compatible with life - or worse, that they are too costly to have a right to life.

We are promised that the new NIPT can allow parents to be prepared for their baby's arrival and that it will not increase termination rates. However, in countries where Down's syndrome screening has been standard for years, termination rates stand at almost 100%. Are these tests being sold as a kind form of early euthanasia to trusting expectant parents - and will a whole genetic group of people be targeted in the process?

The support networks we have in place simply aren't as sophisticated as the genetic tests being considered. We must explain test implications and outcomes, support those who choose a termination and give equal care to those who choose to continue their pregnancies. We need charities that aren't partnered with the test manufacturers.

If parents are rushed into terminations, or asked repeatedly if they would like to end their pregnancies, then we are certainly sending out the message that some lives are worth a great deal less than others.

We need the screening committee to welcome input from parental groups and self-advocates. We need to match up the wonderful examples of best practice by bringing committed midwives and learning disability nurses together, and we need to accept the value of difference.

Society has come a long way from the days when children with Down's syndrome were institutionalised with little or no love, educational support or quality healthcare. We hope Natty will find employment she enjoys, have a partner of her choosing, a social life fuller than ours and live a long, healthy life independently with support.

I cannot bear to think that one day I will have to explain to Natty why others think her adored life is not worth living, or even justify her very existence. But here I am, already doing just that.

And, most of all, I fear that one day I will be grieving, as others celebrate the eradication of all children like my beautiful daughter. No Natty, maybe it's not OK.

The BBC is making a documentary about Down's syndrome, which Hayley Gowleniowska is contributing to. If you are affected by the tests and interested in an initial off-the-record research chat, please contact Clare at [email protected].

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CoteDAzur · 25/11/2015 09:10

" I don't see that snipping off parts of humanity is advisable or desirable... I suspect not having Downs Syndrome in the world would make it a less vibrant and colourful place."

Not having your DD in the world would make it a less vibrant and colourful place, I think you mean. Would she not be just as lovely and wonderful if she did not have DS?

Down's Syndrome is a disorder (genetic bug, not feature) that severely limits intellectual capacity and life expectancy, not to mention the health problems. If you had a magic wand, I can't believe that you wouldn't use it to lift it from your DD. So why wish it on other children who are yet to be born?

zzzzz · 25/11/2015 09:20

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/11/2015 09:25

If you had a magic wand, I can't believe that you wouldn't use it to lift it from your DD.

I totally believe that the OP would not do this.

It would entirely change who her DD is.

DeoGratias · 25/11/2015 09:25

There are two separate issues:-

  1. Do we support parents before conception doing things which will reduce particular issues in our babies such as taking folic acid, not smoking, perhaps avoiding having children when we are quite old for having babies and if so where do we draw our lines - we probably think it's a good idea that we don't take heroin in pregnancy because we don't want babies born addicts. We might not support pre- conception testing by couples where each family carries a particular gene (some couples in some communities have testing before they get engaged). Other communities are more than happy with first cousin marriage even though it brings much much higher rates of disability.
  1. Secondly once a baby is conceived do we support before or after birth operating on it to change it and if so in what ways and/or before birth do we support English law - abortion for disability where the mother chooses that.

None of these are easy issues at all.

What seems most natural for our species is that it does indeed develop and evolve and change.

CoteDAzur · 25/11/2015 09:28

zzzz - But you called DS a disorder downthread Confused I'm beginning to think that you are all just messing with me now Smile

zzzzz Sun 22-Nov-15 23:11:07
Downs Syndrome is a genetic disorder

CoteDAzur · 25/11/2015 09:31

Fanjo - That's why I said to imagine a magic wand that would only take away Down's Syndrome. I can't believe that any parent would NOT want to use it and take away DS from their newborn baby. So why wish it on the rest of the world?

Devilishpyjamas · 25/11/2015 09:34

If you gave me a choice to take away my son's severe autism or his anxiety I'd go for the anxiety. It's anxiety that's fucking up his life big time, not autism.

Yes I suppose given a choice those not in the know would choose the opposite.

CoteDAzur · 25/11/2015 09:41

I have read your story many times over the years and can't believe that you would not take away the regression that led to your DS's severe autism.

Is the anxiety completely unrelated to his autism?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/11/2015 09:44

Cote you cannot claim to know better than someone living it, what they would do.

DeoGratias · 25/11/2015 09:50

Most parents would rather take both away. Autism is harder for parents and children to live with than not having it. It can be particularly sad for parents because that close cuddling bonding love you see so very much with down's children and indeed with other children is not expressed in the same way with many children with autism. So although I can understand people loving their own child I still don't understand why anyone would not wish their child had not been born with these issues. Even propensity to become an alcoholic would be something I wish we were without.

CoteDAzur · 25/11/2015 09:51

I said I can't believe it, not that I know better than them.

I remember Devilish talking about the circumstances around her DS's regression and what she did with her other children to make sure they would not present a similar reaction, presumably because she would have preferred her DS not having severe autism.

zzzzz · 25/11/2015 09:51

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Owllady · 25/11/2015 09:52

I look at my daughter and just see her for herself, I wish other people would see her for who she is too. She's a human being, just like everyone else :)

zzzzz · 25/11/2015 09:56

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CoteDAzur · 25/11/2015 09:58

I don't think it is unusual to talk about Down Syndrome as a genetic disorder. See here and here.

Re autism, as Devilish will be the first to tell everyone, there isn't one autism but autisms and it is not meaningful to collect them all under the same definition, be it as a disorder or a condition.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/11/2015 09:58

Deo how on earth do you think you can know better than parents who actually have children with autism..the mind boggles.

Devilishpyjamas · 25/11/2015 09:58

He had 15 and a half years of autism with reasonable levels of anxiety. So no I don't see it at part of his autism. He's had a year of anxiety of top. When he was 'just' severely autistic he came everywhere with me. He surfed, he sat in the front of the car, he popped to the shops, he went horse riding, he went camping, we did long walks on the moors together.

And now? Nothing - all of that has gone. He can't even be alone with me. His autism hasn't got any worse - his anxiety has.

It's made me realise how crippling anxiety is for everyone - even those without other issues.

Do yes - get rid of the anxiety & give him his life back. He's still need 24 hour supervision & wouldn't be able to talk but at least he's have a life.

Devilishpyjamas · 25/11/2015 10:01

Although he's spent quite a lot of this morning cuddling me. Honestly you don't half talk some bollocks deo. In fact one of the other issues with his anxiety is that he is more glued to me than ever before.

zzzzz · 25/11/2015 10:02

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/11/2015 10:02

My child also never stops cuddling me.

CoteDAzur · 25/11/2015 10:11

"isn't that rather what you ARE doing when you talk about Autism"

I think I was quite clear in my references to severe autism. I hope you didn't think I was talking about Asperger's Syndrome.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/11/2015 10:13

My child has severe autism.

I still don't agree with you.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/11/2015 10:14

And incidentally Aspergers causes just as much anxiety. It isn't "mild autism'.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/11/2015 10:17

I will leave it at saying that people who clearly don't know much about autism except the myths should definitely not pontificate to parents of children with autism about how all parents with chidren who have autism feel.