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Guest post: "Banning smoking in cars is essential to protect children's health"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 01/10/2015 12:06

As adults, we are the product of our upbringing and our inheritance: what we value, how we communicate and behave, are the results of this education. The same is true of our health – whether we like it or not, the way we view our health is often influenced by our parents.

Smoking is one habit that parents often go out of their way to hide from their children. Whether it is going out to the garden to smoke there instead of in the living room, or making sure lighters and tobacco are stashed away out of their reach, they go to great lengths to balance their habit with the health and wellbeing of their children. Of course, parents want to protect children from their unhealthy habits, so as to give them a better start in life.

Yet, we have all seen parents leaning out of the driver's seat window with a lit cigarette, their children in the backseat. What they often do not realise is that the car still fills with toxic vapours that their children are breathing in. Around 80 per cent of smoke is invisible and much of it stays in the car even if the window is open - if you could see these vapours, you'd realise they actually engulf the inside of the car.

Children are inadvertently designed to be perfect passive smokers. They breathe more rapidly than adults, so they are much more exposed to the dangers of secondhand smoke. Their airways, lungs and immune systems are still developing so they are much more susceptible to damage. Also, and perhaps most importantly, they have no control over their surroundings; over a third of children who are exposed to secondhand smoke in vehicles do not feel able to ask the person to stop. They are scared, embarrassed, and do not know what to say. Cars, whilst being feats of modern engineering, are also the perfect venue for passive smoking: the child is strapped in and so has no means of moving away from the smoke.

Passive smoking is a huge threat to children – they are still growing, still developing into the adults that parents pour so much of their hope, dreams and love into. These children face a huge disadvantage if they are exposed to secondhand smoke, which can bring on pneumonia, ear infections and bronchitis. Around three million children every year are exposed to secondhand smoke in a car - and every week, 200 children have to visit their GP because of the effects.

As the Chief Medical Officer for England, I am behind the change in the law that is coming into force on October 1, which will make smoking in any private vehicle containing a child under 18 illegal. It will be engrained in the process of learning to drive, becoming a part of both the Highway Code and driving theory tests. This normalisation is essential if we want to impress upon people the dangers of smoking in cars and protect the health of our children.

Ultimately, the best thing to do is to stop smoking. As we head into October, Public Health England's Stoptober campaign provides a supportive and fun opportunity for smokers to give up. People who stop smoking for 28 days are five times more likely to stop for good, and the campaign has helped thousands of people to quit smoking.

This could not be more important – the best thing a smoker can do for their health is quit; the best thing a smoker can do for their children's health is quit.

I urge people to abide by this law for the safety of our children.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/10/2015 13:56

I wonder whether this will make my mum feel at all guilty for smoking constantly in the car with me and my sister in there?

I doubt it. As a teenager, I asked her not to smoke in the car, because it gave me headaches, and made me car sick. She refused, point blank, saying it was dad's pipe smoke that made me ill, not her cigarettes.

Funnily enough, when dad quit smoking, but mum didn't, I still got headaches and car sick whenever she smoked in the car - not that I ever dared say so.

Bitter? Yes.

RiverTam · 01/10/2015 14:08

Me too. My parents bith puffed away in the car, despite our complaints if headaches and feeling sick, despite us repeatedly kicking the back of their seats while they did it. They never stopped.

Bubbletree4 · 01/10/2015 14:31

Sad that a law is needed to get parents to do something so basic. It's like needing a law to say that you have to change a nappy when it's full of poo.

All the smokers I know who have children completely hide it from them.

BrandNewAndImproved · 01/10/2015 14:40

If your the type of parent to smoke in your car with the kids you'd also be the type to smoke around them anywhere. This is a stupid law they can't even police being on your mobile whilst driving effectively let alone this.

MummyIsMyFavouriteName · 01/10/2015 18:15

I can't even believe this needs to be a law! I will never understand people smoking when they know the risks but it is their decision. But to put their children through passive smoking is selfish and abusive!

I've heard people say: "my car, my children, my rules!" and these are the worst of all! They know the risks and they choose to continue. And what if I were to beat my child in my house. Could I say "my house, my child, my rules!"? No! There is no difference. They are both forms of abuse if the person knowingly harms their child, even if it is by smoking around them.

Rant over.

druscilliah · 01/10/2015 18:21

What does the law say about smoking when there is a pregnant passenger?? My friend smokes and, if the occasion arose, would give me a lift. Would i be able to tell her its against the law to smoke whilst im in her car?Hmm i dont want to come across as being arsey, what with being an ex smoker myself!

OddBoots · 01/10/2015 18:25

I don't think the law covers pregnant women, as adults they can decide if they want to be in the car though, children don't have the same choice.

OddBoots · 01/10/2015 18:26

I realise the unborn child doesn't have a choice but he or she has a mother who does.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/10/2015 18:57

Druscilliah - I would hope that, if you politely asked your friend not to smoke whilst you were in the car, she would agree.

druscilliah · 01/10/2015 19:10

It just seems to me that an unborn child is,in fact, under 18 so the law should include them! And yes i believe if u asked her not to smoke in her car, she would respect my wishes. Although im sure there are some people who are of the opinion that they would be doing me a favour in their car so would have the mindset (as mentioned in previous posts) 'my car, my rules, dont like it-walk then'!

StealthPolarBear · 01/10/2015 19:46

This is not a stupid law, it's an excellent step on the road to obliterating smoking entirely. I think this there will be a notable improvement in child health that can be tracked back to this date

BrandNewAndImproved · 01/10/2015 19:51

Rubbish stealth. If the parent smokes at home then a few drives here and there isn't going to make a jot of difference.

The police have already said they won't be inforcing this law to any high degree. It's a load of red tape and money for legislation that won't help.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 01/10/2015 19:51

It's just a shame that it would be impossible to enforce banning smoking in homes if children are present.

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 01/10/2015 21:30

Hi Sally! What are your plans now you've 'grown a backbone' and quit?

Guest post: "Banning smoking in cars is essential to protect children's health"
PlentyOfPubeGardens · 01/10/2015 22:05

As a smoking parent these are the risks to your DC, in order of likelihood:

  1. You won't be around to enjoy and help with your grandchildren. Long term smokers have a 50% chance of dying early, losing on average a decade of life.

  2. Your child will start smoking in adolescence. Children are 3 times more likely to start smoking if they have a smoking parent or sibling. They then go on to have the same 50% chance of dying early.

  3. Way way below those risks are risks from second-hand-smoke, for which there is no conclusive evidence of harm. If you live with a heavy indoor smoker for several decades your chances of dying from smoking related disease are slightly higher, probably.

  4. There are a couple of rat tissue studies that suggest third hand smoke might be a hypothetical risk if your child likes to lick surfaces for several hours a day.

Smoking kills smokers. Other people, not really on any big scale. If you're in a car, you should be worrying about car fumes as these are by far a bigger source of harm. Still, don't smoke in a car with non-smoking passengers because it's not pleasant.

This is a stupid law because it won't be enforced, the police have made that clear. Laws which are not enforced have the effect of people not respecting the law in all sorts of other, unrelated but potentially more important areas.

ladygoingGaga · 01/10/2015 22:39

You are right it won't be enforced.

Police are so desperately stretched at the moment we struggle to answer 999 calls, and get to victims of crime.

Those who chose to smoke in cars with their kids are not going to suddenly stop just because the government says they should.

BigChocFrenzy · 01/10/2015 22:52

I remember similar objections in the late 1960s when the first drink-driving law became law, then seatbelts in the 1980s: each was claimed unenforceable, people will ignore it, police have no time to enforce it ....

Takes many years for some laws to change attitudes and behaviour, but it happens eventually.

cruikshank · 02/10/2015 01:08

Well, the drink-driving laws and seatbelt laws aren't really comparable, because people do actually die if they drink and drive or if they don't wear seatbelts. However, children do not die because of being in a car, or in a room, or in a pub garden, or in a park, where someone happens to be smoking.

SDTG, I also used to get car-sick as a child. It was caused by motion sickness, not by cigarette smoke. I wonder, given that you were in a moving car at the time you felt sick, and that you don't mention feeling sick as a result of being around cigarette smoke at any other time, if it is just possible that you had travel sickness, same as countless other children.

anklebitersmum · 02/10/2015 03:28

While I fully appreciate the sentiment and health benefits I find myself thinking what a waste of resources. How much time, effort and money has been poured into getting this law, that officials openly admit they can't effectively police, passed?

I thought the country was skint Confused

It'll be BMI indicators at Greggs counters next Wink

merrymouse · 02/10/2015 07:11

I think the law is worthwhile even if only to clearly communicate that passive smoking in cars harms children.

However I think it's ironic, given the thread here a few days ago, that a 16/17 year old can be protected from passive smoke in a car but fall through the net if they become homeless.

AssembleTheMinions · 02/10/2015 10:29

I think that it is a good idea in principle, however in reality people smoking in front of their children are very unlikely to stop doing so when they are driving.

I spent many many journeys in smoke filled cars and I'm fairly sure that is the reason I have asthma and both my parents died in their early sixties both from smoking related illnesses.

TheWildRumpyPumpus · 02/10/2015 11:41

Said 16/17 year old is allowed to smoke themselves in the car though - no law against that. Not sure what happens if one of their mates gets into the car and isn't smoking - is it only adults who are able to break the law?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/10/2015 11:59

Cruikshank - I am sure it was mum's smoking that made me feel sick in the car - because I can travel perfectly happily in a car without feeling nauseous, but if someone smokes in the car, I feel sick.

As a child, I did get to travel in cars where no-one was smoking, and I didn't get nauseous and headache-y - so, I do feel pretty damn confident in saying that it was my mum's smoking that made me feel so sick in the car.

Cigarette smoke anywhere makes me feel faintly sick - but I didn't think to mention that on here, since the thread is specifically about smoking in cars - and I was therefore sharing my experience of being a child, in a car, with a chain smoking parent - and I didn't think I was going to be called either stupid or a liar. If I had always become car sick, regardless of whether I was in the car with mum smoking, I would have to be pretty stupid not to have realised that it was the car not the smoking that made me feel so ill. And why would I come here and state that it was mum's smoking that made me carsick if I knew it wasn't?

cruikshank · 02/10/2015 12:24

Ok, SDTG, obviously you feel sick only if you are in a car with someone smoking in it, and you are not one of the many thousands (millions?) of people who feel sick as a result of motion sickness regardless of the presence or absence of cigarette smoke. You're special. I get that. We need laws to protect you and people like you. Cool.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/10/2015 12:49

Why the nastiness, Cruikshank? Why is it so important to you to prove that I am lying about this?