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Guest post: 'Shared parental leave isn't nearly enough - if we want real equality, we must force change'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 14/01/2015 15:49

When I first became a lawyer ten years ago, the Equal Opportunities Commission was conducting a big research project on pregnancy and maternity discrimination. I remember reading the results – newly-qualified, ambitious, and stunned.

I'd always assumed I'd become a mother, and yet – after all those years of education and training and working hard – I was being told about the devastating impact having a baby still had on so many women's careers. I remember those stats to this day: almost half of all women had been disadvantaged in some way, with 30,000 a year actually losing their jobs, just for having a baby.

It seemed as stupid and retrograde as women not having the vote, or education. It wasn't something my generation should still be contending with, I thought, and besides, it was against the law. I decided to specialise in discrimination, and helped my firm create a free online service for pregnant women and new mums, fought test cases, and I was determined to make a difference.

I was idealistic, and doubtless quite annoying – after all, there are always two sides to every case, and of course it's tricky to manage long periods of absence in the workplace. I soon learned that for most of my clients, getting them a big pay-off was a better outcome than the torturous uncertainty, expense and stress of the litigation process.

Now, I feel a failure. In December, when the TUC released new research into maternity discrimination in the work place, it felt like Groundhog Day. I'd read the exact same stories ten years previously. What was the point of that decade of work, when pregnant women remained so vulnerable in the workplace? I asked myself. The system I work in is failing. If anything, the picture now is bleaker, not better – the introduction of Employment Tribunal fees last year saw a scandalous 80% drop-off in claims. Justice, it seems, is only for those with fat wallets.

It's now clear to me that current discrimination law is not enough. What is needed is proper reform, not just for women, but for men - and for businesses, too. If we don't want to be reading the same stories in another ten years, we need to engineer a more gender equal society. Forcing change is something lots of people are squeamish about – '‘Big State’ interfering in private family life!' detractors will cry – but we need to force it, I'm afraid, as other countries have done with huge success, if we want anything resembling fairness in the workplace.

If men and women share parenting, and are equally likely to take parental leave, then this stops being a gender problem. Shared Parental Leave – and its precursor, Additional Paternity Leave – isn't good enough. At £138.18 a week, it's a joke. Until this leave is paid at a level which encourages dads to take it up in droves, it won't make a difference.

Scandinavia is leading by example. In Sweden - where they've had shared parental leave since 1974 - parents receive 480 days' leave, including 390 at 80% of their salary (capped at around £80 a day). 60 days are reserved for each parent and the remaining 360 shared as the couple choose.

There's also a "gender equality bonus" of around £150 a month per parent, to encourage both parents to share the leave equally and stay off together, paid from the third month of the father's leave. When Sweden first introduced a ‘daddy month’ - a block of time specifically for fathers - in 1995, it worked instantly, with the share of dads who took at least one month off increasing from 9 to 47%. Now, most fathers take around 3 months off per child, and so many go to parent and baby coffee mornings that they have their own nickname, “Latte Pappas”. Norway has a similar system, including 14 weeks of leave just for dads. The result is that 90% of Norwegian fathers take at least 12 weeks off. Contrast this with the UK, where 25% of new fathers take no paternity leave at all, and only one in ten take longer than their 2 weeks of statutory leave.

It would be expensive, of course, and Scandinavian countries have much higher rate of tax than us, but it is worth noting that in Sweden, these measures were introduced specifically to support economic growth from within – to encourage population growth, but also to stimulate economic output by protecting women's career progression. Less women lost to “the mummy track” means more can make good on the investment in their education and training; and Sweden has seen a corresponding increase in women's income and self-reported levels of happiness since fathers started to take on more equal parenting.

The message is clear. Real change – like closing the pay gap, fathers becoming primary carers, and women getting through that glass ceiling – requires some kind of financial incentive to make it happen. Maybe it's time for us to wake up and smell the coffee those Swedish "Latte Pappas" are drinking.

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TiffanyLauren · 16/01/2015 07:08

This will anger people I'm sure however men do not have Breasts for a start this is a fact, breast feeding is the best for baby even through some people choose not to Breastfeed or not do it for long which of corse is fine but it's the best thing for baby and this is encouraging them not too. Secondly weather anyone likes it or not women carry the baby for 9monthes they go through all the emotions, stress illness as I did then have a body that screams out " I've just had a baby " then the tramatic birth and stitches etc and then everything that follows with your body. Then your saying that a man can do all the bonding resting and take it over after all the ladies hard work?! I have an eight year old and a 7 week old and the thought of going back to work in November is killing me already and sending my baby to nursery. It's great that men have the option but I do hope pushy men won't come and take this special time away from women who deserve it. Men have two weeks off ok maybe they could have slightly longer?

Mehitabel6 · 16/01/2015 07:24

It would be nice to have the choice, but I certainly wouldn't have wanted to share it. I feel I was the lucky one and being able to stay at home with my children. We are all different.

Onceuponatimetherewas · 16/01/2015 08:33

Mothers in this country used to get 6 weeks' leave. That's long enough to recover from childbirth and bond with the child. Breastfeeding is good, but I think that a compromise of the mother looking after baby for first 6 months, and the father for 2nd 6 months would work very well. At that stage child is on solids, and if the mother is very bothered about breastfeeding she can express.
Maternity leave is a very privileged time for the mum (assuming she has enough money, that is). I've always felt that men had a raw deal.

mrsrachie · 16/01/2015 08:52

As the primary earner in my household, shared parental leave would have been amazing when I had my baby. I'm a freelancer as well, so being able to go back to work for some time here and there whilst Dad took over would've been a huge help to us financially, as we had to just do without my salary for the duration. We did take full advantage of Additional Paternity Leave when it became applicable but we were lucky that the timing worked for us there.

Whilst I agree more steps are needed, it seems churlish to spurn this current step as a joke. To me it seems like a big positive step and I'm relieved it will finally be in place, even if it is too late to benefit me.

Regarding reluctance of men to leave their jobs, women have to work to change these attitudes too in their own house. I made it very clear that if we were having a baby, I expected him to be involved and it was laid out at the beginning that if we could make the timing work, he would absolutely be taking Additional Paternity. I'm not saying it was easy for him (workplace pressure is definitely another side of this that needs review) but I know he's never regretted that time bonding with his child.

squizita · 16/01/2015 09:32

YY to Mrsrachie I was lucky as my DHS dad had been very "shared parenting" when he could be (he worked away from home then came back for blocks of time) which set dh up to think it a good idea to share.
But many men out there may never have considered it.
And it's amazing the hostility that comes from some women ... calling my DH a loser (he has a good job, I'm just a manager and he isnt) as he didn't immediately try to out earn me so we'd be "normal" ... and I got asked why I had a baby if I earned more. Should I have waited till we were 40+ on the off chance he got promoted twice and I didn't ...? Should baby go without rather than have things bought with mummy's earnings? Odd.

squizita · 16/01/2015 09:35

...oh and IN NO WAY am I an absent "buy gifts" parent. No way. But neither would I demote my job and not have money to save for her future. To me that would be terrible. Who knows what uni and housing will cost in 18/20 years! That's why I'm keeping my job!
By go without I didn't mean toys, by work I dont mean all hours.

purplemurple1 · 16/01/2015 10:07

Personally I think post partum recovery time should be seperated completly from parental leave and granted on an individal basis as needed for that woman. Personally my first pregnancy and birth was easy and I returned to work pt within the week, where my collegue took 3 months to recover from a emergency c-section. Yet we have the same parental leave which I think is unfair.

Breastfeeding or formula is a decision that has to made by the parents, taking into account all their other issues, including financial, and who wants the carer break. I decided it was more important for me to return to work, share childcare 50/50, be able to pay the mortage and bills, buy good food for the next 18yrs etc. Even if you want to bf, you can work pt or share leave 6 months Mum follwed by 6 months for Dad.

Saying I don't want Dad to have the leave becasue I did the hard work of pregnancy and childbirth makes you sound childish and selfish towards both your partner and your child.

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LightningOnlyStrikesOnce · 16/01/2015 12:33

Chunderella's point links in neatly to another problem of our times, namely that we have to, or believe we have to, work far too hard. If we could all work just 3 or 4 days, or just mornings, we could all spend the time with our children which they deserve, and which would stop the spread of our huge social problems. If wealth were more equitably spread we shouldbe able to achieve this. If we were working fewer hours there would be more jobs available - that will become ever more of an issue as technology takes over jobs too.

We need some new paradigm-level solutions to our many problems, this model is edging closer to collapse. Equal parenting leave is a start, but a small one.

And the person upthread who thinks 6 weeks is a perfectly acceptable limit for recovery and bonding - are you having a laugh?

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CallieG · 16/01/2015 14:11

Women with new babies used to have their own mum or MIL come and stay for a few weeks after baby was born to look after her daughter/in law so the new mum could learn to look after her baby, establish a routine and feeding pattern. These days many families are separated by the tyranny of distance and the fact that many new Granny's have to work. new dads need to bond with their babies, of course they do but the new mums need dad to look after Her and the House so she can look after the baby, many new mums have trouble establishing good breast feeding technique because of postnatal exhaustion, they are burnt out before they start because they get no break from the daily grind. Fathers need to be able to take the time so they can look after their partner so she can look after the baby

Onceuponatimetherewas · 16/01/2015 14:32

Lightning- not having a laugh, no, speaking as a self employed mum who went back to work (from home) after 1 week after both children were born, looking after the newborn at the same time, as not able to start nursery till 3 months. In the US there is no paid maternity leave, and women go back to work far far earlier. Not that that's a good thing - I've suggested what to me is a very generous 6 months for mum followed by 6 months for dad. Fair to both parents, and apparently good for baby too. Would also enable dad to spend some quality time with any older children for those 6 months.

Chunderella · 16/01/2015 14:47

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LightningOnlyStrikesOnce · 16/01/2015 17:12

Ah, the US - the most unequal society in the world. Nuff said. I don't take it as a good model for just about anything. 6 months off for both parents is what we're working towards at the moment isn't it?

When I was saying 'we' in connection with part-time working, I was actually thinkng of all working-age people, though I agree that it'd be particularly good for new parents. I think we should all be sharing in the wealth of our society and it should be able to support a drop in normal working hours if wealth was equitably shared.

EllieQ · 17/01/2015 14:17

As someone who is having their first child in April, I'm really pleased that the new shared parental leave and pay policy has been introduced. It's a good first step towards the kind of policies Sweden has in place.

If all goes well, DH and I have agreed that he will have his first two weeks paternity leave as normal, then I'll go back to work at six months and he'll have two months at home. After that we're both planning to go back for four days a week (we can't afford to take another three months unpaid - SMP, while low, is better than nothing).

I will be honest and say this is only really possible because we earn the same, and both work in the public sector (local gov and civil service). I can see how it wouldn't be so straightforward if he was in a workplace with a less family-friendly culture.

It has been interesting to see how people have reacted when we tell them - there's a lot of surprise that he is going to take additional paternity leave. Makes us feel like trailblazers Grin Hopefully the more men that do this, the more normal it will be.

creambun2014 · 18/01/2015 07:59

I returned from our last baby after a few weeks and it has been fine. Dh stays at home and he is in a group of men in their 20s/early 30s who stay at home so he has a good social life.

Nobody has commented on it at all tbh. Younger women are often much more ambitious than men.

DaphneMoonCrane · 18/01/2015 09:51

DH is on additional paternity leave at the moment with 9mo DS2. I got promoted while on maternity leave Shock so wanted to get back to work sooner rather than later. It also makes more financial sense: I earn slightly more than DH and I also get a small return to work bonus (two weeks' salary) plus payment for my accrued holiday. So even though DH's leave will be unpaid, I'll be making up for that to some extent.

We've had quite a few Shock faces from people when we tell them DH is taking three months off to be with the kids. And a lot of 'How is he managing to do that?' comments. (To which the answer is, 'Because he's legally entitled to' while smiling sweetly.)

I agree with cailindana - I don't think it matters greatly that women get the first six weeks at full pay because in the vast majority of cases I expect the mother would be off for at least that long recovering from the birth. I certainly didn't feel remotely physically recovered until DS2 was at least 7 or 8 months old (damn him and his massive head).

I also agree to some extent with the posters who talk about biology being a factor we can't ignore. I haven't used formula with either child and that has meant me taking large chunks of time off work to breastfeed. (I know this is my preference and choice.) I also agree that the physical bond between a mother and her baby is very strong, and I wouldn't have wanted to leave either of mine before they were a bit older. Again, this is just my experience, and others may feel differently, but I'm not sure it'll ever be realistic for raising a baby to be gender-neutral.

I'm lucky enough to work for a very supportive company that values my contribution regardless of how many hours I spend in the office. I know the vast majority of women aren't that lucky.

Being back at work is great, but physically gruelling with a 9mo at home. He's going through the 9mo sleep regression at the moment so I'm up with him several times in the night (he'll only settle for me Hmm) then doing an hour's commute either side of a full work day and expressing during my lunch break. It's not easy at all. But I'm still very grateful that I've been able to go back and pick up a new senior role without having to leave my young baby in childcare. I would never say this is a 'joke'.

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creambun2014 · 18/01/2015 16:01

It is a lot easier knowing someone is at home. I am often out 11 hours in a day. I always know I will come home to clean house, food on table and everything done. I don't do night feeds on my working days and it has been this way since a few weeks after birth. It can be done.

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BreakingDad77 · 19/01/2015 22:39

Some of these ideas would be great but would blocked by conservatives, it's 11 of them against the salary transparency bill I think.

textualorientation · 21/01/2015 04:24

You know, I think it's often overlooked that we actually evolved to be cooperative breeders ... as in, we've always shared the responsibilities of raising children since before we even evolved as anatomically human.

Our governments need to catch up and adequately fund daycare centres and their labour. Check out this post to read more about this.

textualorientation.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/affordabledaycare/

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