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Guest post: Dawn Purvis - 'the pro-life protesters outside our centre have no idea of the harm they cause'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 18/12/2014 11:48

When does a peaceful, lawful protest cross the line and become harassment? When it is dressed up as freedom of speech, and appears armed with obscene photoshopped pictures, leaflets touting dubious medical research and CCTV cameras. When it intimidates, harasses and frightens the life out of women accessing a legal health service, and the staff who work to support them - that's when.

I have a lot of respect for people who say to me, ‘I don't agree with abortion. I have strong religious beliefs and I think it is wrong for any woman to do that’. Whilst I do not share their beliefs or their view, I respect their right to hold it. I respect them because they don't try to dress abortion up as illegal, or unsafe, or morally wrong, or hurtful to women, or even as a cause of breast cancer or mental health issues. I respect them because they point to their faith as the foundation for their view. But they should not expect everyone, including women accessing health services, to share that view.

I am pro-choice because every woman should be a decision maker. I respect their right as moral, autonomous individuals to do what is right for them - not because I agree with their decision necessarily, but because I recognise that women seek abortions for all sorts of reasons that are complex and varied. What I do in Northern Ireland is support women in their choices, whatever they may be, and I am constantly amazed by the courage and bravery of the women who use our services. Women who run the gauntlet of abuse and public shaming in the middle of a busy Belfast street to get the help and support they need. These are the women whose stories make me cry, but whose resilience makes me strong.

Take Gemma (not her real name) who came to our centre one afternoon. She had been stopped on the way in by the protesters at the door, who asked her if she was going to Marie Stopes. Gemma thought they were staff, and so said yes. They asked for her name and she told them. They started to call her Gemma, and told her they had some information on abortion for her and could help her. Gemma listened to the woman, wondering why she was talking to her on the street and not inside the centre. When Gemma realised the people were protesters and tried to enter go inside, they shouted at her – ‘Gemma, don't kill your baby!’ and ‘we will be waiting for you when you come out!’. She was distraught when she came through our door, and it took a while for her to stop shaking. I got her a cup of tea and sat with her.

Gemma wanted the morning after pill. She had been raped by her husband three days previously and today was the first that she could get out of the house. Although she was wearing heavy make up to hide the bruises, the swelling around her mouth, nose and eyes was apparent. She showed me the strangulation marks on her neck and the bite marks on her arms and breasts. She kept saying ‘I can't have a baby with this monster. He will kill me. He wants me pregnant because he wants to kill me.’ Gemma told me that when she refused to go to her doctor to have her contraceptive implant removed, her husband warned her that he would do it himself. He removed her implant with a Stanley knife while sitting on her chest. He told her to tape the wound with sellotape and stop her whining.

Gemma got her morning after pill. I gave her advice on where she could get help, phone numbers to call confidentially and places to go in an emergency. When she left she said: ‘those people outside don't know me. They don't know anything about me or my circumstances. They don't know why I am here. I don't know whether I am pregnant or not, but I can't take that chance because if I am, I have to kill this baby before he kills me.’

Like all the women I see, Gemma made the decision that was right for her, and we supported her. The people who protest outside our centre and other centres - using ‘freedom of speech’ and ‘right to protest’ as their guise - have no idea of the harm they cause. They do not hear the stories of the women who need abortions, and nor do they want to listen. The sentencing of Bernadette Smyth is a reminder that harassment is intolerable. All I ask is that those who disagree with a woman's right to choose at least respect their dignity, privacy and their right to access legal health services without fear or harassment.

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 19/12/2014 13:19

Great post. Thank you for what you are doing.

plasticpotato · 19/12/2014 16:33

Great work Dawn - keep it up!

I've seen on twitter Bernadette Smyth photographed this afternoon (!) outside Marie Stopes protesting - AGAIN!

Hope she gets to spend christmas in jail.

ThreeQuartersEmpty · 19/12/2014 20:43

Well done Dawn. I'm in NI too, we need this service without condemnation and judging and being accosted with half truths.
I see on the news there's been a caution issued for breaching a court order.

Keep on going Dawn.

Slowdownsally · 19/12/2014 22:19

Thank you Dawn.

You save lives.

flippinada · 20/12/2014 09:31

Dawn, heartfelt thanks to you and everyone else at the Marie Stopes clinic. A well written and thoughtful piece.

Although the situation was nowhere near as extreme as Gemma's (extreme emotional abuse but no physical violence), I too had an abortion because I couldn't bear to have another child with my abusive ex partner.

flippinada · 20/12/2014 09:34

Sorry, that last comment from me was a bit misleading - I know Gemma didn't have an abortion, I really just wanted to say that her story resonated with me.

cailindana · 20/12/2014 16:33

They absolutely and most certainly do know the harm they are causing. They are not innocently misguided busybodies who want to stop something they consider wrong, their absolute intention (and they don't hide this when out of the public eye) is to hurt women. They hate women. They believe a pregnancy is a suitable punishment for an "immoral" woman (ie any woman who behaves like a human being rather than a breeding animal owned by a man) and they are livid that women can evade that punishment. They are horrified to think that women might have control over their own bodies. That it's not god's intention, you see, it's god's intention that men have control over women's bodies.

Don't underestimate the depth of hatred these people feel for women. Misogyny does not cover it, not even close.

Chunderella · 20/12/2014 19:26

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CSLewis · 20/12/2014 21:15

Wow, cailindana. What a lot of vitriol. "They"? How do you presume to know the thoughts and motives - and behaviour - of EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever stood (in silence? praying? not holding a placard?) outside an abortion clinic?

My mother-in-law is one such person, and I can guarantee 100% that she holds NONE of the views you have so presumptuously assumed she must.

I don't agree with harassment either, and support applying reasonable and proportionate powers to deal with it; but neither do I agree with discriminating against a law-abiding majority in order to clamp down on a small minority; nor do I think we should change the law to do so (as another recent Mumsnet Guest Post suggested).

Last time I checked, we lived in a democracy, in which people have freedom of thought, speech, and action, under the law. Or is that only for people whose thoughts, speech and actions agree with your own?

gwynanne4life · 20/12/2014 23:10

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delaselva · 20/12/2014 23:21

I agree with cailindana, she's right about 'them' even if 'they' don't understand or think about why they are such misogynists.

I've asked my own mother (who is pro-life) why she thinks it's acceptable that women, and women alone bear the shame, the blame, the financial burdern, the loss of freedom, the judgement, the harrassment, the isolation, the marginalisation, the guilt.............. (of an unplanned pregnancy) but she doesn't accept it even though it's all true because she won't think about it properly. She pushes logic away. She and thousands like her walked up the aisle virgo intacto and she has never had to worry about facing a pregnancy she can't afford alone. She considers herself a person with empathy, but it seems that she is unable to empathise with a woman who has led a different life to her and faced dilemmas she can't imagine.

I love my mother, but it is a form of misogyny borne out of a mixture of things, lack of empathy, fear, regret, brainwashing, knowing no other life...

delaselva · 20/12/2014 23:25

As for democracy, if one doesn't want to have an abortion, one doesn't have to have one.

Attempting to close down clinics with the intention of controlling what other people might choose to do, that is not democratic.

Chunderella · 21/12/2014 09:29

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cailindana · 21/12/2014 10:18

CSLewis - people are entitled to be anti-abortion. But to stand outside clinics interfering in other people's lives, causing fear, shame, distress to people already suffering? That's just cruelty, plain and simple. It is nasty, vindictive behaviour. And the people who do it, know that. They're not idiots. I'm sure your MIL is absolutely aware of the damage she does, how can she be unaware? The goal is to cause damage, damage to a service that aids and protects women. How can that be defended?

BackOnlyBriefly · 21/12/2014 11:09

nor do I think we should change the law to do so do you mean you want to keep the right for Pro-Lifers to stand round the entrance?

SacreBlue · 21/12/2014 14:15

I doubt she will have learned her lesson though. from Puffins. You have the nail on the head - she has already been back outside the clinic.

I have, very fortunately, never had to have an abortion, nor been in a position where it was an available choice. To have to deliberate about it, much less make that choice, and worse have to go through it, must be an awful experience. Why any caring, loving person would wish to make any of the above worse for another person who is going through that is incredible.

And for women (and men who care about their partner when such a decision has to be considered) it is horrible that they have to go through even more stress in NI or Eire, just to get advice even before a final decision is made.

Compassion for all life - including those people having to make very hard choices - that's real pro-life & real pro-choice for me.

BrowersBlues · 21/12/2014 14:49

Dawn, you do an amazing job in tough circumstances and women in NI are extremely fortunate that this service is available in NI.

Cailindana - I agree with you entirely. None of those people are unaware of their behaviour and they know precisely what they are doing.

cremolafoam · 21/12/2014 19:26

Dawn, respect.

The smug look of Ms Smyth on Newsline made me Angry. She seems not so much bothered about the real issue , as herself.

NI needs you, and more people like you to address the law that remains The Elephant in the room.

ChablisLover · 21/12/2014 23:29

Dawn - I've walked past the clinic with my son and was subjected to a lot of questions about the posters and people

I can't get my head around it all at all

I am pro-choice - you can never tell what you would do if you were in a desperate situation

Keep up the good work

HelenaDove · 22/12/2014 17:37

Dawn your support of women is amazing. Gemmas story unfortunately has not surprised me. I have seen articles online about reproductive abuse. There are many posters on other boards who post asking why women have children with abusive partners. Because they dont understand the cycle and dynamic of abuse or on a more sinister level dont want to!

And i have found that pro lifers and people who criticise single mothers for claiming benefits are quite often one and the same.
Put simply they hate women.

WellnowImFucked · 31/12/2014 20:56

100% agree with what Calindana said

Pro choice people don't stand around abusing women, what these people do is just abuse.

The one question I always ask anyone who proclaim that they're pro life, is what are they doing to support the children? You say it's all about the 'babies' but what are you doing to support children living in poverty? Children growing up in abusive homes? Children with life limiting horribly painful conditions. Provide decent childcare so that The parents can carry on working and keep a roof over their heads? You have no idea why that woman has made that decision.

I've never found one person who actively does anything. Not once.

So if it's all about the babies get your arses in gear and campaign for that.

WellnowImFucked · 31/12/2014 20:56

Oh and Dawn thank you!

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