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Guest post: Nick Clegg - 'When it comes to parental leave, we must pay fathers the same as mothers if we want gender equality'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 25/10/2014 20:46

Let’s bankrupt Britain’s businesses and, once we’re done, burn the buildings to the ground.

This is what you might have thought I’d said last week, if you saw some of the reaction to my plans to increase fathers' rights when it comes to shared parental leave.

From now on the Civil Service will pay the same to fathers who take parental leave after their babies are born as it pays mothers who do so.

Let’s be clear: we are not doubling the leave and pay that is available, we are just making sure it can be shared between mothers and fathers as they see fit. Whether it’s mums or dads who take the leave, they’ll receive equal pay – and we’d like businesses to follow suit.

A significant change, yes, but highly controversial? I didn’t think so, until I saw the outrage it prompted from parts of the right-wing press.

Such a step, they declared, will be ‘crippling’ to taxpayers and business. But why, when there is no extra cost to the economy attached? For every day a man spends at home, a woman will be back at work, so what’s the problem?

What the critics are really saying is that companies can afford to lose a woman for a few months, but they can’t afford to lose a man. The message is loud and clear: women, we don’t need you. Or, at least, we don’t need you as much.

What utter rubbish – and a sorry glimpse into the dated misogyny that still stalks part of the British establishment. It feels ridiculous for me to even write in this article that women are as valuable to their employers as their male counterparts – of course they are! – and yet it seems the flamingly obvious still needs to be said.

Thankfully the dinosaurs and naysayers are not reflective of the country at large. The broader reaction was much more positive. Indeed, many businesses understand the difference a contented, valued workforce can make to their bottom line.

Where I do agree that there are legitimate questions to be asked is on the issue of take up. From next spring we are radically transforming Britain’s leave rules. For the first time ever parents will have a legal right to divvy up between them the year off that is available after a baby is born, in whichever way they see fit – a far cry from the previous system, under which women were given a year and men a paltry two weeks. But we need to encourage fathers to take advantage of this new right.

Better pay arrangements will help. Many men are reluctant to take time off when their children are born, discouraged by the raised eyebrows of their bosses and colleagues. But they are also put off by the drop in earnings they’d face – especially if they’re the bigger earner. That’s why the Civil Service will make it more affordable for fathers to make this choice, and we want as many companies as possible to do the same. In government again the Liberal Democrats would also introduce a “daddy month” – a new, additional use-it-or-lose block of time for new dads to stay at home. We know more men want to be more involved with their children home and, crucially, we know the difference it makes to a child’s development when they do.

As more and more couples enjoy these new rights, I hope we’ll see another big benefit too – helping us tackle the pay gap, which still stands at women, on average, being paid 20% less than men. It’s after children are born that the gap really begins to grow, with women being passed over for promotion or else moving into part-time work. But if both sexes are equally likely to take time out of their career to look after young children, and if both are equally likely to go part-time to help them juggle work and home – employers won’t have an excuse for letting women fall behind.

So the only thing that will be “crippled” by new, fairer leave rules is the outdated assumption that women should be in the kitchen while men bring home the bacon. There is certainly still a lot more to be done before mothers and fathers enjoy real equality of choice, and we won’t get there overnight. But we won’t get there at all if the everyday misogynists get their way. So long as my party has a say over things, they won’t.

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Chunderella · 27/10/2014 16:08

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Newshoesplease · 27/10/2014 16:11

I'm very sorry for spelling baring wrong. I hope it doesn't upset you any further.

sleepyhead · 27/10/2014 16:21

She wasn't criticising your spelling - she was pointing out that bearing and caring aren't the same thing.

My dh can't bear a child, but he is as capable as me of caring for our sons.

If I hadn't been able to split my mat leave with him then ds2 would have been in nursery from 6 months old for purely financial reasons. I preferred that he was cared for by one of his parents for the first 12 months of his life.

Other families may make different decisions which is fine.

Chunderella · 27/10/2014 16:41

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YonicScrewdriver · 27/10/2014 17:07

You spelt bearing right, New!

Bramble01 · 27/10/2014 17:24

Newshoesplease - this is equality. It is not about control, in fact the complete opposite. It gives families choices and options. Noone is taking away a woman's right to take her full 12 months' maternity leave if that is her choice, but it is giving families the flexibility to arrange the care for their children as best suits them. It reflects the reality that not all fathers are the main breadwinner these days, that not all women may want to or feel it is in the best interests of their families to take a full year off from their careers and that some fathers may want to spend more time at home with their baby in the early days. How can this be anything but positive?

StarlightMcKenzie · 27/10/2014 20:15

To treat people equally you do not treat them the same.

In countries where this is more usual, the mothers give up their leave to the fathers, who use it to get further training and move up the career ladder under the pretence of being the family guy.

unclerory · 28/10/2014 17:27

Another point re BF - I went back after 6m and fed morning and evening and expressed once at work - it wasn't really possible for nursery to give this milk so it was saved for weekends etc - if DH had been home he could have used expressed milk more easily.

My nursery fed my EBM to each of my three kids. I'm not sure why it would be a problem unless there was an over-zealous risk assessment carried out.

I think additional paternity pay equivalent to additional maternity pay is the only way to increase equality between parents. Men already have the right to SMP after 6 months but there aren't many who take it up, I know of a couple at work, and there are a lot of Dads who work part time or do some home working or shifted hours.

YonicScrewdriver · 28/10/2014 21:26

Hi uncle, the nursery didn't have a freezer to keep the EBM. Probably bigger nurseries would have been ok.

bonkersLFDT20 · 06/11/2014 13:52

"What utter rubbish – and a sorry glimpse into the dated misogyny that still stalks part of the British establishment. It feels ridiculous for me to even write in this article that women are as valuable to their employers as their male counterparts – of course they are! – and yet it seems the flamingly obvious still needs to be said."

Telegraph article on the gender pay gap

I'd say the evidence indicates that women are not as valued as men.

Greengrow · 13/11/2014 10:04

At the moment women get only 6 week at 90% pay ( I took 2 weeks off and went back full time which worked very well for us all). After 6 weeks it drops off a cliff for anyone paying a London mortgage and with full time childcare already for 2 or 3 other children. (Some employers choose to offer more but many many do not).

I think the 6 weeks reflects recovery time for women and that difference between men and women is fine. After that I am more than happy if things are shared 50/50. My children's father always did as much as I did with the children at home. We both worked full time and I earned ultimately 10x what he did.

I would favour a use it or lose it leave entitlement - say 3 months off for women and 3 for men after birth (but with say 2 weeks full pay for men and 6 weeks full pay for women) and if one does not use it then the couple loses it.

Kizzy07 · 31/03/2015 11:38

The new policy gives couples the choice to do what works for them. If they don't like it, they don't have to do anything differently to now. Mothers can spend a year with their baby, dads can take a couple of weeks off. The whole point is that it gives people more choice to do what works for them. It's not about stealing time off a new mum - not all mums use the full maternity leave as it stands now, at least this new policy means that fathers can use those extra weeks instead of losing them.

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