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Guest post: Surrogacy transformed my life - but is it morally acceptable?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/09/2014 11:12

Surrogacy is everywhere. From the broadsheets to the day-time television sofa - everyone has a view, especially in light of the recent baby Gammy case. But there is one group who keep silent, who don't speak to journalists and who mind what they say, even to good friends. Those are the people who have direct experience of surrogacy.

I am one of them. I would probably be wise to keep my mouth shut – those who are opposed to surrogacy can be virulent – but it is hard to stand by and watch the mountain of misinformation about surrogacy grow. Again and again commentators focus on the one surrogacy journey that fails, without reporting on the 99% that succeed.

That's why I decided to put my head above the parapet and write a memoir about our experience. We are among the 99%, and surrogacy transformed our lives. Although we had a living son, we had lost four babies in five years – a stillborn daughter, four miscarriages. IVF had failed, and our attempts to adopt were bogged down in bureaucracy.

Before surrogacy we were shattered, and now we are happy. Lots of people assume therefore that I must be a passionate advocate for surrogacy. On the contrary - I'm a cautious one. I believe that surrogacy is a desperate measure for desperate times. No-one should be doing it unless they have no other option, and anyone who thinks it is easy is a fool. It took four law firms and a trip to the High Court for us to bring our daughter home from the States, where we had paid a woman to carry our egg donor baby.

Sometimes, I still struggle with whether surrogacy is morally suspect. What is at the root of society’s distrust and discomfort over it? It seems to be an innate feeling lots of people have - that a woman should not be able to give birth and then hand the baby over to someone else, despite the fact that most surrogates are now gestational surrogates and so have no genetic link to the child they carry.

When we were in the States with our surrogate, again and again I asked her: ‘Do you really want to do this?’ Even at the time of my daughter’s birth I was still unconvinced. How could she be okay with it? How could she be doing this momentous thing for me? It was only in the long days she and I spent together afterwards that I began to understand.

Our surrogate Mum is intelligent and wasn't struggling with money. She had plenty of other choices. She really wanted to be a surrogate and she enjoyed the experience so much she’s doing it again. Should the law stand in the way of a generous woman?

Of course, it’s not as simple as that. There is a thornier problem with surrogacy, to do with money and class. Too often, surrogacy is something that poor women do for rich women. My husband and I went to America because we felt that women there would not be exploited, but we could only go there because we had enough money. That enabled us to avoid the income inequalities which exist in India or the Ukraine and to ensure we didn't take advantage of anyone. As with lots of things, it’s easier to be moral if you’re well off.

The English legal system gets around the question of money by banning commercial surrogacy. Some would say this is right - that it’s a 'Good Thing' for us Brits to take a moral stand on it – but the UK system means we have a situation where a woman does the most important job ever, for free. Is this selfless love? Or slave labour?

If surrogacy is going to exist then shouldn't it be fairly remunerated? It doesn't have to be a question of love or payment - both can exist side by side, as I learnt from our surrogate. I know that I wanted to pay her. It can be hard to live with the knowledge that another person transformed your life and that nothing – absolutely nothing - you do will adequately compensate them. How much worse would I feel if she had done it for free?

One thing is for sure: international surrogacy isn't going away. The internet enables anyone to contact surrogacy agencies across the world. We couldn't stop it even if we wanted to - if a couple arrive at Heathrow holding a baby which is genetically linked to one, or both of them, are they really going to be refused entry?

It's complicated, going through the arguments I've considered a thousand times. But now I am about to go and pick up my living, lovely daughter from nursery. She is called Hope, and as soon as I see her tiny, laughing face it doesn't seem complicated at all. She is what leads me to conclude that the UK should create a system similar to that in the US - a system which is highly legalistic, but promotes fairness and protects everyone. A system which might encourage people to stay at home, rather than go to developing world.

Let's allow those generous women who want to be surrogates fulfil their desires, and give them legal clarity and fair remuneration. Let's support them in giving a gift, the value of which can't be expressed in words, let alone money.

^Alice is currently crowdfunding her memoir - Dead babies and seaside downs - with Unbound. 50% of the proceeds of the book will be donated to The Stillbirth and Neonatal Death Charity (Sands). You can find out more and support the book [[http://unbound.co.uk/books/dead-babies-and-
seaside-towns here.]]^

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smellyfishead · 17/09/2014 20:59

I think the shortage of uk surrogates is mainly down to commercial surrogacy being illegal, if you look at international surrogacy surrogates get life-changing amounts of money for being surrogates, in the uk surrogates only receive expenses (sometimes which are carefully scrutinised by the likes of caffcass, despite 12-15K being the accepted norm) Therefor uk surrogates are forced to do it altruistically unlike most international surrogates where the money really can change their lives.

I agree with oddboots too, gestational surrogacy is a huge commitment, there are injections and meds to get your cycles in place, there is the actual IVF and it takes far longer than traditional surrogacy.
Traditional surrogacy is much more straightforward and if you conceive quickly, a much quicker process but the issue of using your own egg is something many people are just not comfortable with.

Until a time when commercial surrogacy is legal, there will be a shortage of uk surrogates, not many people will willingly go through pregnancy and the pain of labour for someone else, with little in return.

QOD · 18/09/2014 07:45

Yes arsenic, yours is the only correct opinion in the world ....

QOD · 18/09/2014 07:50

The stigma in this country of giving a baby up for adoption is massive, in the States, it's beautifully supported, here, they are aborted or "kept" in much much higher numbers.

If giving a baby up for adoption was less stigmatised, maybe surrogacy wouldn't be a growing "industry"

I'm now ignoring arse Nic but smelly, how are you involved with so many? I know of a few around me, I was/am a Cots member for the support but don't go on their boards anymore, they had about 600 births on record when I stopped being involved

todayisnottheday · 18/09/2014 07:52

Arsenic, I've scrolled back to see where you added your thoughts to this thread but it seems your only contribution is to criticise other people on their thoughts or pull their posts apart. Hmm

DurhamDurham · 18/09/2014 07:54

Once money becomes involved in the process some people will do it for that reason alone. Some people may feel pressurised into doing it for the money, or it may seem like their only option.

It's great when the surrogate is "intelligent" and not struggling financially but what happens when she is not? A lot of money may be a temptation to women struggling with little opportunity to make money.

I think it has to be about wanting to do it as a completely selfless act, which is what a lot of surrogates claim at present. Introduce payment ( rather than just expenses) and it all becomes a whole lot murkier.

QOD · 18/09/2014 08:06

Agree Durham, even when allowed expenses now are £10 000 that's a lot, we paid real expenses, the whole true cost was about £2000 being really generous. Making up her salary which was capped at 90%, food shopping, childcare, clothing, petrol, I am still torn about the money scenario.
If you're carrying donor eggs, seems ok to be paid for incubating, if they're yours, seems more ... Unethical ... Really difficult!
I honestly don't know how I really feel. Most of the people online on cots where linked by cots, strangers, the real life ones I know where altruistic, best friends, cousin, friend ....

Such a sticky subject

ArsenicFaceCream · 18/09/2014 08:46

Arsenic, I've scrolled back to see where you added your thoughts to this thread but it seems your only contribution is to criticise other people on their thoughts or pull their posts apart.

Not at all.

I was really inerested in the debate but was blind-sided but QOD's daft remarks. You are aware that various national governments have recently been making apologies for the type of regime QOD seems so nostalgic for?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21872919

After all, today you have no idea how many readers have been upset by What I think is wrong with the whole UK baby scenario is that there is no longer ANY stigma in girls having abortions, in girls keeping their babies. It is a very strong statement with plenty of potential to offend. Not everyone will be able dismiss that as the embittered, old-fashioned nonsense it is.

Similarly, the notion that only people with a direct interest in an issue (e.g. euthanasia, capital punishment or genetic engineering) can hold a view on the ethics, was so ludicrous and such a dangerous idea of how society should be run, I couldn't let it pass without comment.

ArsenicFaceCream · 18/09/2014 08:53

Until a time when commercial surrogacy is legal, there will be a shortage of uk surrogates, not many people will willingly go through pregnancy and the pain of labour for someone else, with little in return.

The ethics of that do seem a lot less troubling than UK based couples travelling to India etc where commercial surrogacy is available (and growing fast I gather?).

Nordicmom · 18/09/2014 09:59

We were the first ever international surrogacy case in our borough and before the high court giving the parental order they did treat us as a private fostering arrangement so we had the SS involved but it was just a few visits and reports and the court appointed guardian for DD until the final ruling . The whole process was pretty complicated . And took nearly a year .

todayisnottheday · 18/09/2014 11:06

I wasn't saying you were right or wrong just that you'd taken the time to pull over another poster without offering something yourself. Debate has to be two way or it just comes over as holding court.

ArsenicFaceCream · 18/09/2014 11:51

today you're quite wrong. I challenged QOD's extraordinary remarks and then went on to ask some questions of the other posters (as I had always intended to do before my ghast was flabbered) all of this BEFORE you (quite inaccurately) suggested I was only contributing critically.

I wasn't remotely 'holding court' it was just a straightforward, no-frills challenge to a fairly offensive post. I am aware I don't have a particularly 'girly' style of expression (and I certainly don't wheel out extraneous kittens and ribbons for someone like QOD) but if you re-read, I hope you will see you have mis-interpreted slightly.

I am interested in the commercial/international aspect of surrogacy and interested in what sensible informed parties have to say.

smellyfishead · 18/09/2014 14:45

QOD, I started with cots (who imo are dire!!) and am now an active member on numerous closed and secret FB groups for surrogates/ips. I also know quite a few round me locally.

On the subject of expenses, I do not believe that the current accepted norms are too much, many agencies charge hundreds for subs, tests etc and people like nat gamble are taking whopping £5k figures for information/consultations!!?!
when a single round of IVF can cost as much as £10k, £10-15k for actually doing the hard work of carrying and birthing the baby seems very little in comparison!!

Arsenic- im not sure international surrogacy can be compared to uk surrogacy in any shape or form. In less developed countries such as india it seems very unethical/exploitative, woman are often forced by their husbands to do it for the money and often they are kept in a place away from their families and children for the duration of the pregnancy. Again the problem with commercial surrogacy coming to the uk is there will be women who will do it for the money and until the legal framework is similar to America it would cause massive problems imo.

ArsenicFaceCream · 18/09/2014 17:17

im not sure international surrogacy can be compared to uk surrogacy in any shape or form. In less developed countries such as india it seems very unethical/exploitative,

Yes, that's why I would think commercial surrogacy in the UK (or maybe 'just' drastically increased maximum expenses) would be preferable if it attracted enough surrogates to remove the need for IPs to travel to India etc in significant numbers. I only meant to 'compare' in the sense that the shortage of surrogates here is fuelling an exploitative industry there, if i've got that right.

You mean the legal framework in America making it harder for people to back out? I'm a bit hazy on the details. Wasn't that arrived at after a couple of heart-rending cases?

KeeperOfBees · 20/09/2014 18:39

I am a surrogate, currently going through the process atm. I started with one of the bigger agencies,who I found to be money grabbing and greedy. I am now with a small agency who focus on compatability not money.

I have had mostly negative feedback from friends and work colleagues though.

smellyfishead · 20/09/2014 21:31

arsenic- in some states (they vary wildly on surrogacy laws) they take out a pre-birth order, this relinquishes rights of the surrogate mother and establishes parental rights of the baby for the intended parents.

keeper that's terrible, I genuinely have had only good reactions, well to my face anyway! what sort of things have people said?

HopefulHatter · 07/05/2015 18:12

I've actually just joined up to mumsnet today to find out more about surrogacy from people who know what the process is like.

I saw my doctor earlier to discuss our ninth miscarriage which happened last month. He asked if we had considered surrogacy.

Due to a structural defect in my womb I can conceive easily but carrying a baby full term is another story.

smellyfishead I hope you don't mind me asking but how do you manage to get access to a closed private fb group?

neelamchhagani · 14/08/2019 17:49

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