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Guest post: 'Offering every infant child a healthy school meal has just become a reality'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 04/09/2014 16:03

With school cooks, head teachers and caterers gathered in Whitehall to celebrate the launch of 'Universal Free School Meals' last night, the deputy prime minister pointed out in his speech of thanks, that we don't need university based studies and hoards of scientists telling us what we intuitively know - that school children work better in the afternoon with a healthy, balanced lunch in their tummies versus a jam sandwich and sugary drink.

But the good thing about the free school meals is that, actually, we do have the research to prove just that, in the form of a pilot study carried out in Durham and Newham between 2009 and 2011.

It showed that children who were given healthy, free school lunches were two months ahead academically compared with their contemporaries, as well as revealing an almost 25% increase in vegetables being eaten, an 18% reduction in crisps and a fall in consumption of sugary drinks.

The lunches also led to children eating together. Socialising around the lunch table. Trying new foods. Experiencing new tastes. Having a go with new textures.

Universal free school meals for primary school children were a key recommendation in the independently produced School Food Plan, published by Henry Dimbleby and John Vincent in July last year.

To the astonishment of most people in the ‘business’ of delivering school dinners - from the civil servants to the school cooks, the local authorities to the head teachers - together they have virtually pulled off this vision for children from reception through to the end of year two.

However, many questions have been raised. Questions like ‘why stop at year 2?’, ‘how do we know standards will be kept up?’, and 'what about the hundreds of schools who haven't been able to get the service up and running?’ In spite of much-hyped horror stories of teachers trekking to the local pub to buy in sandwiches, the vast majority of schools are on board and able to offer free school meals, and for those who are struggling, a further £150m and a dedicated support service has been set up to offer advice and help to make the grade.

And now that the majority have signed up, the task is to maintain standards. How do we stop schools going off-piste? This will partly be down to parent-power, but from January, school cooks will be preparing lunches to comply with food-based regulations such as limiting fried foods and pastry-based foods to twice a week and using low fat milk.

These food-based regulations are much easier for cooks and parents to understand. If, as a parent, you look at the school lunch menu and think ‘hang on, there are more chips and chocolate sponge pudding on the menu than there should be’, then you can go to your school and lobby to get things on track.

People have questioned why parents who can afford to pay for school lunches should benefit - isn't it a waste of money? I don't think so. Beyond the fact that parents who are struggling will no longer be landed with a £400 bill every year, the scheme means that everyone - whether their parents could afford that bill or not - is eating and enjoying food together.

A friend of mine's little girls tried school lunches for the first month in reception last year. A combination of being frightened by the size and system in the dining room - as lots of reception children are - and her best friend having sandwiches in another part of the hall meant she was crying into a jacket potato most days, eating virtually nothing and falling out of school at 3.20pm white as a sheet and with her concentration levels long since blown to smithereens.

Now, her best friend is having the free school lunch, which in turn has given my friend's daughter the confidence to have them too. This is great for her, but also good for the school lunch system - now she's in it, she’s likely to stay in it, and be a crucial ‘customer’ to the end of her school years.

The bottom line is this: we know that a healthy school lunch can improve a child’s academic performance - and we also know that, according to research, only 1% of packed lunches meet the nutritional guidelines that currently apply to school foods. Having everyone eat together can also help embed social skills around the dining table. The goal to offer every infant child a healthy, tasty school meal has just become a reality, and surely this should be celebrated.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 06/09/2014 08:12

Healthy balanced lunch versus a jam sandwich and a fizzy drink, my ass!

How bloody insulting. Because that's obviously all parents could possibly be feeding their children isn't it? School dinners are a carb fest, pizza, chips and white bread with every course. The idea that if this is the case parents have to lobby for change, how about not serve the crap in the first place.

The rot started when the tories privatised school meals in the first place.

BelleBoyd · 06/09/2014 08:19

Yes of course I'd prefer healthy school meals too. And yes there is a lot of grasping at straws in this house!! But I think a certain amount of fat is fine for an active child which DD really is. The sugar yes is a problem.
But as I said any meal DD eats is a success for us regardless of what it is. She had a year when she was 2 of only eating beans on toast-no butter...and fruit. She had constant illnesses, recurrent tonsillitis etc and when she was 1 went 10 days without eating a thing.
The eat healthy with them, give them good choices doesn't always work I'm afraid.
At least lukewarm meals won't bother her she also has temperature issues..won't eat hot food or have warm baths. Sigh.
Apparently there is a salad bar at her school. I'm yet to see it as she hasn't started yet. I remain hopeful.

Sirzy · 06/09/2014 08:23

Just looking at menus for DS school (same for whole LEA)

In one week he could have

  • Fish fingers, ketchup, mash and peas followed by black forest sponge and ice cream
  • cid and salmon fish cakes baked pot and beans followed by fruit jelly
  • Spanish omlette, new pot followed by summer fruit crunch and ice cream
  • Cheesy pasta followed by white chocolate terrine
  • Pizza, 'low fat' chips (?) beans followed by skinny baked donuts.

The main meals are pretty meh with a lot of carb heavy options but some 'healthier' options. The puddings options though is way too much for every day and given the choice I think a lot of children would pick every day!

RiversideMum · 06/09/2014 08:24

I'm a teacher and the school lunches at our school are pretty good. The kitchen staff are from a contractor who supplies several LAs. Everything is made from scratch and there is always the choice of fruit or yogurt for pudding.

snice · 06/09/2014 09:42

there is always a choice of fruit but if its a few apples and bananas in a bowl next to chocolate crunch slice don't be surprised if most children don't pick it!

ThisBitchIsResting · 06/09/2014 10:04

Question - do people think it's necessary to offer children a pudding?

I don't. Save money there and put the money into decent protein and veg instead of carby sugar filled puff. Get children used to eating proper food, and avoid the 'you must finish your main before you can have (the real treat) pudding' type mentality. And as people have said, offering fruit is great but not if it's that or some refined sugar crap that of course children will choose instead.

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 06/09/2014 10:11

Guest blog is by Amanda Ursell, who is the nutritionist at the Sun newspaper....... Biscuit

What most posters have said - carb fest and sugary puddings. Giving a 5 yr old the choice of a pud or a piece of fruit, most will choose the pud no matter how well they normally eat (only human!)

And yes, low fat milk!!!!!! FFS maybe in high school (and even then, I'd argue not) but children aged 4-7 are growing and need the vitamins from full fat milk. Fat is not the enemy, despite what the big corporates would have us believe. It's the addictive, empty refined sugars and sweeteners that are the true bad guys.
Fat free yoghurt? Check out the label, I'll bet it's got added sugar. Stick to plain full fat with a topping of fruit.

Ledkr · 06/09/2014 11:15

The school dd will go to next year couldn't sort out hot meals so each child gets a Sandwhich (tuna or cheese) and a piece of fruit.
My child will certainly be taking lunch.
Her nursery commented yesterday on how much she enjoys her packed lunch and what a variety of things she will eat.
I can certainly balance her diet a lot better than a sarnie and apple each day.
I'd have rather the meals improved for those who were on a low income.

Pico2 · 06/09/2014 11:51

I think the Sun and MN have very different demographics. Obviously there will be some overlap, but not much.

bodhranbae · 06/09/2014 14:32

Yesterday my son's school meal was

Fish fingers (mass produced cheap crappy ones)
Chips (ditto)
Baked Beans (ditto)
Cup Cake (ditto)
Chocolate Milk (ditto)

What a bloody joke.
These people haven't got a clue and it is ALL about the bottom line and profitability for the privatised shysters.

SaggyAndLucy · 06/09/2014 14:32

u mailed hq asking if the op will be back. they're dropping her a line.

JugglingFromHereToThere · 06/09/2014 15:07

Agree with Amanda that this is a positive initiative. My DC have always had a school dinner BTW as I do think it's better for them (as well as easier for me in the mornings!)

However also strongly agree with other posters that it doesn't make up for other cuts to services for families, such as closing Children's Centres, and putting more pressure on mothers to go back to work the moment their child is 5.

These two things alone have been extremely negative for our wider family.

Toecheese · 06/09/2014 18:45

I think free school meals would only benefit all children if the meals were actually properly healthy, which they are not. Unhealthy school meals will only benefit the minority of children who have a very poor nutritional diet.

Cheeky76890 · 06/09/2014 18:47

Can someone keep an eye out on the nutritional column in the sun. I expect there to be a mumsnet inspired piece there this month.

M5hell · 06/09/2014 20:37

I think the negative comments say a lot about the type of school. My son's school has a very impressive menu as all the desserts are fruit or yogurt based. Once a week they have ice cream on offer which I'm fine about.

Unfortunately not every parent is as conscientious on diet so believe this is a great idea. It's nice to see something working parents are entitled to get assistance with!

CandODad · 07/09/2014 10:38

I see nothing wrong with this menu, and having been in school and seen the meal being eaten I think it promotes a healthy balanced option. The only thing I would say is I would like to see more use of the salad bar, but then you would have parents complaining about "forced" salad feeding.

derbyshire.gov.uk/images/Primary%20Menu%20April%20-%20October%202014_tcm44-245028.pdf

Pico2 · 07/09/2014 11:02

CandODad - that menu has the same issues as highlighted by others on this thread. It is a total carb fest. For example - tuna pasta bake + potatoes + sponge pudding. 3 forms of carb and limited protein.

I know that some people in the UK eat like that, but we don't. I wouldn't dream of teaching my DD that pizza or lasagne should be served with garlic bread and/or wedges or that curry comes with both rice and naan bread. And I don't really want her school to teach her that either.

CandODad · 07/09/2014 11:09

Pico2

They are free to choose what they want to choose, I see very little of children having everything to be fair. If my children were given everything they wouldn't even eat half of it. This is alongside fruit and salad offerings and the adults in the hall do guide children to take a balanced approach. I think if your child knows what they usually eat and works to that then it works fine. Things come off the rails with the families that don't teach their children routine (which I suppose the article would refer to as jam sandwich and sugary drink brigade)

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colleysmill · 07/09/2014 13:47

The company supplying our school meals are "unable to cater for children with food allergies and intolerances" so if they are still around when Ds2 goes to school he'll be on packed lunch through necessity (unless anything changes with him!)

Louhunt · 07/09/2014 14:20

At my daughters school (because it is small) they aren't being provided with a hot meal (council can't be bothered to be organised?) but they have had a packed lunch provided of which we didn't know for the first two days what that consisted of. And it didn't turn up till 11:50! Because our acting head pushed the suppliers we had a meal choice for the first full week back at school. The sandwiches are large adult size triangles! All protein! On white bread! And not added vegetables even with the tuna mayo! On the first day my child ate an apple and an egg sandwich! She was offered a stick of celery said she tried it but it wasn't as yummy as at home so didn't eat it. It was a shame she had had two dippy eggs for breakfast that day and how on earth I we supposed to plan dinner if we don't even know what are children are eating for lunch. This is complete madness and a controlling government! My child wishes to be like her friends and have a school packed lunch but if she does I have to try to feed her the rest of her 'five a day' when she gets home, as one a day is not acceptable for me!!!

Toecheese · 07/09/2014 17:40

I think protein in sandwiches is great but there should also be whole grain and lots of veg.

SaggyAndLucy · 07/09/2014 18:21

We'd be in the same position Colleys. and in fact were when dd1 was at primary.
I think it's discriminatory. Sad

mishknight · 07/09/2014 20:34

Agree with the free school meals and my little one started having them on Thursday. I do agree with the above comments that they have not been healthy. By the end of the week she will have had : Fish fingers & chips, Pizza & wedges, macaroni cheese, and hot dog

FinDeSemaine · 07/09/2014 21:44

Brown bread for sandwiches really doesn't seem like an outrageous demand! Sliced white surely can't be any healthier than whatever parents would have sent in.

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